Andre Ward vs Sergio Martinez

[~AK49~]

you just said in your previous post "p4p ranking hasn't meant shit TO ME" but now "i keep special significance to the word". again, you're not making sense.
not every fighter skips around weight classes and collects belts. just because pacquiao did it doesn't mean everyone should be held to that same basis. if pacquiao has taken on the challenge of fighting a guy who weighs 165 on fight night and completely dominated him, why can't he do it again? not saying he has to, but i mean mayweather just did. both guys are p4p, even better ranked than martinez, so how can that fight be wrong?

and i clarified that by saying your's (and most everybody elses) p4p rankings dont mean **** to me. You're either good in your division, or your ****ty. But being good in your division doesnt give and significance to your weight. I am making sense, you are just not liking the idea of me asking martinez to prove his p4p title.

NOW...leave pacquiao out of this. The point, lets get martinez and ward to 'pretty much close to the same weight'.

wow, the two you mentioned (cotto and clottey), their fight night weights weren't shown, so i guess you can consider them "bigger" opponents. i kind of consider the same concept to donaire right now. nonito himself said he walks around at 140ish, but he obviously fights at 118 and now 122. so let's say when the time comes he moves up to featherweight or super featherweight (126-130), he necessarily won't be fighting bigger guys (most dudes in that weight class around his height). they'll probably weigh 1-5 lbs apart, i'll bet on it.
same with pac, look at his fight night weight. you can see he's a guy that walks around at 140-150. even ariza said he was 153 a week before his clottey fight.


http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story...gainst-clottey

now with martinez/ward, what's ward's fight night weight? i can almost bet martinez doesn't weigh that much if he took a year off boxing.

I guess i can consider them the bigger man? Brah....they are bigger men. And then you provide a weight for pac a week(s) prior to a fight, yet dont want to provide that information for clottey, cotto, or marg?

[chiguy91]

and i clarified that by saying your's (and most everybody elses) p4p rankings dont mean **** to me. You're either good in your division, or your ****ty. But being good in your division doesnt give and significance to your weight. I am making sense, you are just not liking the idea of me asking martinez to prove his p4p title.

NOW...leave pacquiao out of this. The point, lets get martinez and ward to 'pretty much close to the same weight'.

"being good in your div. doesn't give significance to your weight" i don't get that wording. being good in your division doesn't prove you belong on the p4p list? again, look at bradley, the klitscko bros and wonjongkam. again, proving to be p4p worthy doesn't mean you have to fight guys bigger than you or in different divisions.
ward and martinez aren't "pretty much close to the same weight" at all. martinez' fight night weight (165) is less than ward's weigh in weight (168), so i don't get how you can think this.

I guess i can consider them the bigger man? Brah....they are bigger men. And then you provide a weight for pac a week(s) prior to a fight, yet dont want to provide that information for clottey, cotto, or marg?

i'm saying they're not that bigger in the sense that their fight night weight wouldn't be that much of a difference to pac's. but since they decided not to show them, i guess you stand correct. the fact is pac beats guys that weigh 147+, and the most we know is 165 (margarito) so how can martinez, a guy who has shown he weighs 165 on fight night, asking for the same catchweight fight be wrong?

[~AK49~]

"being good in your div. doesn't give significance to your weight" i don't get that wording. being good in your division doesn't prove you belong on the p4p list? again, look at bradley, the klitscko bros and wonjongkam. again, proving to be p4p worthy doesn't mean you have to fight guys bigger than you or in different divisions.
ward and martinez aren't "pretty much close to the same weight" at all. martinez' fight night weight (165) is less than ward's weigh in weight (168), so i don't get how you can think this.

i'm saying they're not that bigger in the sense that their fight night weight wouldn't be that much of a difference to pac's. but since they decided not to show them, i guess you stand correct. the fact is pac beats guys that weigh 147+, and the most we know is 165 (margarito) so how can martinez, a guy who has shown he weighs 165 on fight night, asking for the same catchweight fight be wrong?

There are more similarities than you are giving credit.

Lets say the pac-martinez fight took place at 150. Pac would probably weigh in around there, martinez would obviously make the limit. Fight night pac would weigh 152-155 at best, martinez would be 160-165. about a 10 lb difference.

Now a fight between martinez-ward, lets say at 165. Martinez would weigh in around there, ward would make the limit. Fight night martinez would weigh around 165-170, ward 170-180, about a 10lb difference. (im not exactly sure what wards or martinez fight night weights are, but its the same principle, it will be close, about 10 lbs.

With both fights, there is about a 10 lb difference that will be shown on fight night. For pac, its expected that its okay, as hes a beast, a true p4p. For martinez, its an unreasonable request, as ward would be 'too big'.

Im ending up saying the same things, i just broke it down, and probabbly will not be too inclined to reply. just some food for thought. Ones a beast who will, and does, fight bigger people, and the other...cant?

[chiguy91]

There are more similarities than you are giving credit.

Lets say the pac-martinez fight took place at 150. Pac would probably weigh in around there, martinez would obviously make the limit. Fight night pac would weigh 152-155 at best, martinez would be 160-165. about a 10 lb difference.

Now a fight between martinez-ward, lets say at 165. Martinez would weigh in around there, ward would make the limit. Fight night martinez would weigh around 165-170, ward 170-180, about a 10lb difference. (im not exactly sure what wards or martinez fight night weights are, but its the same principle, it will be close, about 10 lbs.

With both fights, there is about a 10 lb difference that will be shown on fight night. For pac, its expected that its okay, as hes a beast, a true p4p. For martinez, its an unreasonable request, as ward would be 'too big'.

Im ending up saying the same things, i just broke it down, and probabbly will not be too inclined to reply. just some food for thought. Ones a beast who will, and does, fight bigger people, and the other...cant?

are you sure ward weighs 170-180 on fight night? i don't remember seeing numbers, showtime hasn't been showing them from what i can remember. either way, if that is what he weighs, martinez' career isn't known for going up and fighting bigger guys. like many say, martinez is considered a rather small middleweight. and again, not all p4p fighters fight bigger guys so not all of them should be held to that standard. we know pac's limit is WW since he can't even come in at the scales at 147, martinez himself never came in at 160, but both weigh above the limit on fight night. the idea of pac fighting guys 10 or so lbs bigger than him can't be transferred to his opponents because that's not what they're known for a or built a rep on, even though it does seem fair to be able say that. my thing is when martinez says can he be the same size as margarito on the scales and on fight night, saying "martinez is picking on smaller guys" isn't fair because that smaller guy dealt with guys martinez' size.

[orlandoernandez]

I dont think martinez would fight Ward. Andres too big. Would be nice though if they did.

[PEBBLES!]

I don't think I could be less interested in a fight.

[Light_Speed]

I just thought about that, but my opinion still kinda stands. I consider mayweather to be a full 147lber, more than capable of moving up to 154 and competing. I dont consider manny to be a full 147, but more like a 142-144lber. If the fights at 150, ya hell come in at 147, but if its at 147, hell come in at about 142, what he's comfortable at.

But if Floyd dominates Pacquiao and shows that his skills are so much superior that if he was 3-4 lbs smaller it would be the same outcome, how can you still consider Pac a better P4P fighter?

[AnimalisticMeth]

If Martinez really wants to be the #1 P4P fighter in the world and make a huge impact this is the only big fight he can get at the moment because he is not getting Mayweather, Pacquiao or Cotto. Problem is Ward would be too much for Martinez.

[bojangles1987]

How does anyone think this fight is interesting? Martinez has no shot.

[kiaba360]

Martinez has absolutely no chance at SMW, so we should just drop that discussion already lol