Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Louis - Who wins?

[Superflo777]

^ Incredible, he gets downed and downed and downed without receiving a single count and they just keep fighting.

[cupocity303]

Of course the is a need for upper body movement. We're talking about one of the hardest and most accurate punchers in history. The caliber of fighter Vitaly has never been in with.

No there is no need for a 6'7 guy. You adopt a tall posture, and you stick your long jab out to keep the smaller opponent at bay, and you use moderate footwork to back up or move forward accordingly, which is what Vitali does consistently. Guys try to hit him in the face and end up hitting the shoulder or the body, with a few shots getting through on occasion.

Joe Louis would be no different. At his size, he would have to go out of his comfort zone to land. He couldn't just be plodding forward throwing his regular punches. He would have to reach, and he would have to throw out of position when that long jab is keeping him at bay consistently.

[cupocity303]

Would you agree the Lewis fight was Vitaly's best in spite of losing? Than why not use Louis at his very best when evaluating a fantasy fight?

No I would not agree for reasons I already outlined. The presumption then is, that it doesn't matter what Vitali did from then on, in his career. He failed in that one fight, therefore he is a failure for life, with that one loss being held against him, no matter how many dominant wins afterwards.

And he never got his shot at redemption like Louis did with Schmelling, which wasn't his fault.

And for the record, his dominant win over Sam Peter, after a 4 year retirement, being the first to stop him by TKO, IS HIS BEST FIGHT AND WIN, imo.

[cupocity303]

Louis's combination punching, to both the head and body, would cause massive problems for Vitali. That shouldn't even be an argument.

The presumption here is that he would not only be able to throw combinations as usual, but land them also. Which he would NOT.

Once he realizes, that he isn't fight some big sloth who is hunching down while covering up with both hands. That Vitali is fighting with a straight posture maximizing his height advantage, using his jab to keep him at bay, and moderate footwork to circle or paddle back accordingly; Louis would quickly come to the realization that he cannot just throw and land combinations. Vitali doesn't make himself available for combos like a flat footed, standing still target.

He would be reduced to a one-punch at a time fighter, and maybe land the occasional looping right, which wouldn't be enough to get Vitali out of there.

[cupocity303]

^ Incredible, he gets downed and downed and downed without receiving a single count and they just keep fighting.

Yeah, what is that.

Is it lack of enforcing proper Neutral Corner or lack of standing 8 count. Looked very sloppy like one of those Kimbo Slice youtube street fights in today's time.

[bojangles1987]

The presumption here is that he would not only be able to throw combinations as usual, but land them also. Which he would NOT.

Once he realizes, that he isn't fight some big sloth who is hunching down while covering up with both hands. That Vitali is fighting with a straight posture maximizing his height advantage, using his jab to keep him at bay, and moderate footwork to circle or paddle back accordingly; Louis would quickly come to the realization that he cannot just throw and land combinations. Vitali doesn't make himself available for combos like a flat footed, standing still target.

He would be reduced to a one-punch at a time fighter, and maybe land the occasional looping right, which wouldn't be enough to get Vitali out of there.

Why wouldn't he? Vitali certainly isn't a sloth but he's no incredibly elusive fighter either. Louis is faster than Vitali, with better handspeed, and would never chase headshots if they aren't there. At no point would Louis settle on throwing looping right hands one at a time, that's simply not the fighter he is, and Vitali isn't that quick or hard to hit where Louis would be forced into that.

Vitali wants to fight tall? Louis will throw his combinations to the body and bring that chin into range. It's something he understood how to do as well as any heavyweight ever.

[Superflo777]

Why wouldn't he? Vitali certainly isn't a sloth but he's no incredibly elusive fighter either. Louis is faster than Vitali, with better handspeed, and would never chase headshots if they aren't there.

Countless of Vitali's opponents were faster and had better handspeed than him. It didn't help them.

[bojangles1987]

Countless of Vitali's opponents were faster and had better handspeed than him. It didn't help them.

But they were far less skilled than Vitali himself, let alone Joe Louis.

[Joeyzagz]

Vitali is a what-if fantasy fighter. He has never produced actual wins against ATG opponents. Not in a boxing ring, not EVER.

Here are the top 10 fighters who fought during Vitali's Boxing career.

1996-2011

Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Ike Ibeabucci
Wladimir Klitschko
Evander Holyfield
Chris Byrd
David Tua
Hasim Rahman
David Haye
John Ruiz

Vitali is a joke of a fighter to go an entire decade without beating a single guy on that list. Only in the imaginations of fanboys does he win anything.

[crold1]

Vitali is a what-if fantasy fighter. He has never produced actual wins against ATG opponents. Not in a boxing ring, not EVER.

Here are the top 10 fighters who fought during Vitali's Boxing career.

1996-2011

Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Ike Ibeabucci
Wladimir Klitschko
Evander Holyfield
Chris Byrd
David Tua
Hasim Rahman
David Haye
John Ruiz

Vitali is a joke of a fighter to go an entire decade without beating a single guy on that list. Only in the imaginations of fanboys does he win anything.

That's a somewhat unfair take, even if I agree with the premise that he missed a window to build an eons better resume. Vitali and Wlad were in a deal with Kohl, notorious for sitting on and milking fighters and wasting their primes. Good business; bad boxing. When they got out from that deal, they more than took on all comers. In Vit's case, he wasn't sought for U.S. TV either after Byrd. If he had ****** it up and run out the clock with Byrd, his career would have developed much different. It's fair to say he should have been fighting better guys in the late 90s and early 2000's, but it wasn't really his fault.