Comments Thread For: Mark Johnson Rips Pacquiao, Talks Khan-Peterson, More

[Brutal Honesty]

Dude, a reasonable, intelligent, knowledgeable, boxing fan...... would never argue in favor of catch-weights.

Whilst you insist that your standards remain so abysmally low, your credibility will sit at the exact same level.

You try to make out like you are some boxing history buff, but you really cannot comprehend the achievements that are attributed to truly great fighters under the original divisional system, without catchweights?

That is totally fkn pig-ignorant..... you must be messing with me, because you aint that bad a poster.

so in that case, no fighter universally labeled as a great fighter cannot be truly great ever since the sport went away from the original divisional system.

Every sport has evolved including boxing. The new divisional system and catchweight which have been around since tommy memorial, are just part of it.

[LeadUppercut]

The great " assumer ".....

all posters have to do is look at your posting history and see that all you do around here is slurp mayweather's balls and hate on pacquiao and you have the audacity to call another poster a fanboy?

how ironic, a black guy saying how lame to pull a race card. All you ****** black people do is pull the race card when things dont go your way. Martinez and marquez saying that, well if you werent such a narrow minded uneducated miscreant, one could see that marquez has an ax to grind and martinez is angling for a pacquiao fight.

So, you want some brutal honesty, fair enough dude, you got it.

Here is why are are ******.....

1.) You are a full-of-**** fanboy. Go and check my original post history, I barely discussed Pacquiao, and almost never discussed Mayweather. I changed my tack when some pig-ignorant non-boxing idiot tried to tell me that Pacquiao was the GOAT, and then that hypejob Manny tried to setup my boy at welter.

2.) I dont give a *** about Mayflower when he aint fighting, so give yourself an uppercut. He needs to stop crying, because how can you expect to be ranked P4P (like that matters anyway) when you only fight every 18 months. *** him, and *** you

BTW, are you starting to see that you have badly jumped to conclusions?

Lets continue.....

3.) So, I am a black guy now? I have been called a Mexican, a PR, a pom, and Aussie, and now..... I am black You clowns who define people by their color/race, are incredibly immature little kids with NO life experience, and very few life skills.

BTW, that is your third ridiculous assumption

Lets continue.....

4.) Stop being so ******, MANY fighters/trainers have said the exact same thing about Pacquiao. You are an idiot for making those silly assumptions about me, and you are an even bigger idiot for assuming that Too Sharp is just a racist.

[bose]

Noise was made...Too Sharp wanted those fights and other fights....They didn't want Too Sharp simple.

Noise is always made. Boxers, champions and prospects, contenders always make noise. You can say he made noise but don't say Romero and Tapia avoided them. Tapia remember also went to jail, came back and made a name for himself where even casual boxing fans knew him. Say what you want but imo, those years in jail held back Too Sharp, maybe a move up in weight before he went to jail would have helped him.

[Brutal Honesty]

So, you want some brutal honesty, fair enough dude, you got it.

Here is why are are ******.....

1.) You are a full-of-**** fanboy. Go and check my original post history, I barely discussed Pacquiao, and almost never discussed Mayweather. I changed my tack when some pig-ignorant non-boxing idiot tried to tell me that Pacquiao was the GOAT, and then that hypejob Manny tried to setup my boy at welter.

2.) I dont give a *** about Mayflower when he aint fighting, so give yourself an uppercut. He needs to stop crying, because how can you expect to be ranked P4P (like that matters anyway) when you only fight every 18 months. *** him, and *** you

BTW, are you starting to see that you have badly jumped to conclusions?

Lets continue.....

3.) So, I am a black guy now? I have been called a Mexican, a PR, a pom, and Aussie, and now..... I am black You clowns who define people by their color/race, are incredibly immature little kids with NO life experience, and very few life skills.

BTW, that is your third ridiculous assumption

Lets continue.....

4.) Stop being so ******, MANY fighters/trainers have said the exact same thing about Pacquiao. You are an idiot for making those silly assumptions about me, and you are an even bigger idiot for assuming that Too Sharp is just a racist.

but you are black, and all you do is hate on manny and make love to floyd. Are you just gonna lie about those things? Ive criticized both manny and floyd but the mere fact that you dont even give an ounce of credit to pacquiao who was voted fighter of the decade by people who get paid for a living to write and analyze boxing says that you are just trolling and should not be taken seriously. If manny's achievements are crap, then what does that make the achievements of fighters considered lesser than manny?

ps- i live in a major metropolitan american city and i can safely say some of those most racist people are blacks. Hell they get away with being racist on tv while white people and other ethnicities are held to a higher moral standard.

[LeadUppercut]

1. Who you beat and how.

NO !!

Who you beat, and when..... the how is irrelevant.

We are just attempting to determine IF Pacquiao is great..... if you manage to get there (and good luck with that) then we can dig further and use the "how" to determine just how great he really is...... like "how" he beat Marquez, like "how" he beat Cotto, and like "how" he beat Margarito.

Got it ?

Pacquiao has beaten a large number of quality fighters, some of them the best in their division, in their division. Often times dominantly.

Well, lets see what you got dude.

2. Barrera 1-Best featherweight in the world, HOF, coming off wins over Morales and Hamed
Barrera 2- top 3 at Super featherweight, HOF, coming off a close controversial fight with Marquez
Cotto-top 3 at Welterweight, might get into the HOF eventually, maybe not, has gone on to be one of the best at 154lbs
Ledwaba-top 3 at super bantamweight, Pacquiao took the fight on 2 weeks notice
Chatchai Sasakul-best fighter at Flyweight
Ricky Hatton-best fighter at Light Welterweight
Joshua Clottey-Top 5 at Welterweight
Shane Mosley-top 10 at Welterweight
David Diaz-top 10 at welterweight

and I guess I wont mention HOF Marquez, since you will boohoo about it.

Right, firstly, you qualified your list by saying this......
"Pacquiao has beaten a large number of quality fighters, some of them the best in their division"

So, lets not confuse the issue, and remove the ones who were not.

Barrera 1 - NO, Marquez was
Barrera 2 - NO
Cotto - DONT BE RIDICULOUS, I have a major issue with you mentioning him
Ledwaba - NO
Chatchai Sasakul - NO, Too Sharp was
Ricky Hatton - NO
Shane Mosley - GET REAL
David Diaz -
Marquez - good call leaving him out

Jesus dude, do you really want me to continue with this. Really?


Now, lets see that p4p list.

I will put together my top 10 P4P list to humor you, and to allow you to sneak out the back door by changing the subject, when you have answered the question.

1.) you said this "Pacquiao has beaten a large number of quality fighters"..... well, so fkn what..... MANY superb fighters have "beaten a large number of quality fighters"..... that dont make them great..... and it dont make Pac great either

How you can list guys like Diaz. Hatton, Clottey, etc..... who would have been beaten by a number of guys in the division that they represented, simply baffles me.

How could beating a guy who was vulnerable and would have lost to others in the same division, possibly be regarded as "great"?

What has Pacquiao done to convince you that (P4P) he could beat guys like Mayweather/Marquez/Donaire/Martinez..... you must be kidding right?

Those guys fight genuine threats, and many have faced genuine threats from larger opposition..... and yet Manny will not fight anyone dangerous in his own division without a catchweight, and at jmw..... he will not fight anybody at all.

Ridiculous.

Too Sharp is 100% correct, no question.

Steak, let me just point something out.....

The list of unanswered questions about Pacquiao that I posted earlier, you know, the HUGE FKN SHOPPING LIST full of unanswered questions that is longer than your arm, the one that jro tried to flippantly dismiss.....

You know, the same list that you intend to attempt to dismiss by running through my list of top 10 P4P fighters and making a similar comparison......

Here is your equivalent list for Sergio.....
* he ducked Pirog

[mrjoeblive]

LOL @ beating the likes of Raheem, Campbell, Guzman, Soto is the difference between being great and not being great....

If the case of not being great is a full shopping list of an unanswered questions then no fighter in the last 10 years can be considered great.

whats up jro! the kicker here is the fact that pac avoided so many good fights. leads list didnt include gatti or torres , juan"baby bull"diaz, cassamayor, "popo" freitas and many others. pac fans are so quick to list the top rank fights floyd didnt get and label them as fighters floyd ducked. but there are so many fighters that pac could have fought and avoided them as their style of boxing was not conducive to being easily beat by pac. he fought david insted of juan. so thats the rub for a lot of pac detractors. even roach admitted he wanted to make the floyd fight at 142 to "make floyd work hard before the fight" in other words, hurt him on the scale to make it easy to hurt him in the ring. seeking advantages all the time.= loser.

[Steak]

you are a buffoon. Marquez was nowhere near the best at featherweight when Pacquiao beat Barrera, he only had wins over Gainer, Medina and Peden at the time. Thats like a joke compared to Barrera, who had wins over Morales, Hamed, Kevin Kelley and Johnny Tapia. Not to mention you can make a very strong case for Pacquiao beating Marquez in their featherweight fight anyway.

Sasakul was also the best in the world after beating Yuri Arbachacov, who was better than anyone Mark Johnson beat at Flyweight.

saying that Barrera 2, Cotto, Hatton, and Ledwaba are not good wins is outrageous, and if you dont consider those meaningful wins then basically nothing is a good win.

and as for this...

How you can list guys like Diaz. Hatton, Clottey, etc..... who would have been beaten by a number of guys in the division that they represented, simply baffles me.

losing to other fighters doesnt make you **** magically, and Hatton had never lost at JWW anyway The only guy that had a good chance to beat Hatton at 140 was Bradley, Khan wasnt on the scene yet and Witter got dominated by Devon Alexander not long after Hatton got KTFO by Pacquiao.

[LeadUppercut]

Knowledgeable posters understand that catch-weight fights go by fight to fight basis.

NO !!

Knowledgable posters understand that.....

1.) catch-weights are completely unnecessary

2.) they were originally conceived to enable bouts between two (usually) name opponents who would normally never meet because of weight disparity, they were NEVER taken seriously, and they NEVER involved title fights..... until the standards within boxing really started to erode they were rightly called, "an exhibition match"

3.) When fighters who were competing under the original divisional system attempted to reach for greatness they would do it as the smaller man, and many were successful..... now we have multitudes of divisions..... and yet Pacquiao still needs a catch-weight?

4.) there are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight, you are either not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight, or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage

Neither of those two reasons are acceptable.

He is a terrific fighter, but it is crystal clear that Pac aint even on the same level as the true greats of this sport.

" oh, but, but..... "

NO.

No " but, but..... "

Pacquiao has demeaned his own achievement so many times, catchweights, contractual advantages, dating way back before Morales..... and he has done this almost exclusively against old men, faded champions, bums..... and many of those guys were not only vulnerable, they were made-to-order punching bags.

Get this, I can make the following statement, whether I believe it or not..... Pacquiao could never have beaten Margarito using 10oz gloves.

That dont sound like a great fighter to me.

Just saying.....

[mrjoeblive]

surprise surprise. another black guy who doesnt like pacquiao. Why do black people find it hard to give credit to another ethnicity who does well in a black dominated sport? Blacks have always dominated sports due to them being enslaved for a long period of time which have given them a natural edge physically, and they have a lot of pride in the one thing they always dominated sports. So when a another ethnicity takes over in a spot usually dominated by blacks, they get offended.

Sort of like when white people got real mad when a black guy became president. I just wonder where boxing would be if pacquiao didnt exist and floyd retired after ricky hatton. Its quite simple and obvious what is happening in boxing; a sport that usually has a black american on top. They dont like it that a foreigner is on top and is the star. Just look at all of pacquiao's strongest critics, its always black american boxers and ****** black people who have dead end jobs and have nothing to do but complain, call radio shows rambling, and making youtube videos.

i just love it when ****** uneducated racist people rise up and display how ignorant they are. ****** pac has more support in the black community than floyd. but a moron like you has no clue. why? because you have a dead end job and you are probably in forclosure. and as oppose to getting off your lazy azz, you blame the illegal mexicans for taking your jobs. also el dumbo, its far more people than blacks that question pac. its been well documented how former black fighters like hagler and foreman and others support pac. but that goes against your silly racist agenda so you chose to ignore that. IMO your just some poor malcontent that lives in squalor and is angry at every one else because you cant get your sorry life in shape. you live in a ******, and your probably one of the many people that get public assistance but act like your making the grade all by your self. thats why you throw race around as a reason why your life sucks.

[LeadUppercut]

so in that case, no fighter universally labeled as a great fighter cannot be truly great ever since the sport went away from the original divisional system.

Every sport has evolved including boxing. The new divisional system and catchweight which have been around since tommy memorial, are just part of it.

" evolution "..... and " degradation " are not the same thing dude.

Justify this **** to me.....

NOTE: I have bolded the parts which make me sick to my stomach. I did that just in case you completely missed the point.

Pacquiao fought a faded welterweight bum, at catch-weight, for a vacant title at 154, using 8oz gloves.

GTFOH man, that is not evolution, that is degradation.

And NO, Ray Leonard is not a legitimate LHW champ.