Comments Thread For: Mark Johnson Rips Pacquiao, Talks Khan-Peterson, More

[Steak]

marquez is now promoted by top rank. that was the way he got the 3rd pac fight. and that is why a lot of people speculate arum wants to do a 4th pac v jmm fight as opposed to pac v floyd. a lot of people thought barrera was shot after the 1st loss to eric. but he still had steam in the tank. from my perspective though, a young barrera would have beat pac IMO

So just because Marquez is now promoted by Top Rank makes him a different fighter? And What about Hatton, wasnt he still Golden Boy?

and who thought that Barrera was shot after the first Morales loss? I mean, that was in a way his coming out party and one of his best performances ever, and a lot of people had him winning.

Young Barrera from before the 1st Morales fight would have got his ass handed to him. He was fun to watch, but reckless as hell, and would have been a punching bag.

I will say I wouldve liked to see Barrera vs Pacquiao after Barrera beat Morales though. He had developed into more of a boxer at that point, and people often forget but he did pretty damn well in their rematch in spots, although hed seen better days. That boxer version of Barrera but a little younger would have been a pretty damn competitive fight.

[Steak]

Read back, I gave Pac credit for Barrera I.

And even though the evidence you provided only suggested that Manny has beaten "good" fighters, I stated that I think Pac is a terrific fighter.

And yet hes not p4p top 10? Im still waiting for that.

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lead, you are a bull dog. keep up the tenacity. i actually quote you sometimes when im bashing my pac friends on the scene."which excuse did you believe" LOL that always gets on their last nerve. thank you.

Thanks bro.

This is my bottom line.....

When something happens once, it is a coincidence..... when something happens twice, it is a pattern..... but when something happens continually for years, it is a detailed plan.

I dont know of too many genuine " greats ", in fact I dont know of any at all, who had a "plan" to avoid anyone dangerous and only concentrate on old guys who are well-faded with a come-forward style.

I just dont see the greatness there, I dont see it at all.

A great fighter would have taken on at least some of those challenges listed above, a great fighter would have rematched Marquez immediately, a great fighter would have faced Mosley instead of manipulating/disadvantaging an already faded damaged Cotto, and a great fighter would rather have beaten Martinez in the ring for his WBC title, than fighting that disgraceful exhibition match, and then ducking Martinez at 154 AND 150.

Pacquiao is good, in fact he is very good, but he definitely aint great.

[Bee Keepz]

When people are accusing you of steroids, you know damn well you're good.

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And yet hes not p4p top 10? Im still waiting for that.

it was fkn years ago you wally.

And he has done absolutely nothing since.

All he has done is blatantly duck genuine threats.

***s sake man, is ali still a p4p fighter for beating foreman?

[Steak]

it was fkn years ago you wally.

And he has done absolutely nothing since.

All he has done is blatantly duck genuine threats.

***s sake man, is ali still a p4p fighter for beating foreman?

If you dont consider Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Mosley some of the best opponents at 140 and 147 when he fought them, then there is almost no one that he could have beat at those weights to be considered a 'threat'.

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When people are accusing you of steroids, you know damn well you're good.

Either that or you are a steroid cheat.

Berto accused Ortiz of using steroids, did that make Ortiz great ?

Honestly man, you wanna leave the steroid issue, like I have ^^

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If you dont consider Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Mosley some of the best opponents at 140 and 147 when he fought them, then there is almost no one that he could have beat at those weights to be considered a 'threat'.

That is the most ridiculous comment that you have made so far.

NOTE: you need to duck now, but I will try to make this quick and painless.

Not in the order you gave, because I will start with the very worst of the examples that you provided above and then work my way down.

BTW, props for not including Diaz

Firstly, Manny has only ever fought 2 welters at 147, one was an old man, and the other one was a bum, neither were ranked higher than 4, and as it turned out..... neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

I would have avoided welterweight if I was you, because the blatant ducking that Manny did on his way up is actually far more noticeable at 147..... so blatant that it is not even debatable.

Clottey - omfg, how the hell can you keep a straight face when mentioning Clottey. That perennial underachiever has failed at every hurdle, he is a flat-out bum, and nothing more.

His performance against Pac was disgracefully inept. In spite of the fact that he could clearly hit and hurt Manny at will, he CHOSE to ignore the only two boxing instincts that he possessed in that fight.

When he let Manny off the ropes in round 6, backed up to the center of the ring, and then gloved up, so that Pac could start firing away..... it was plainly obvious that fight was nothing but a glorified sparring session designed to make Manny look good..... and that is confirmed by the fact that Clottey was paid a huge "performance" bonus by Top Rank for exhibiting one of the most shameful performances in years.

HOW CAN YOU VIEW A WIN OVER CLOTTEY, OR ANY OTHER FIGHTER FOR THAT MATTER, AS "GREAT"..... WHEN THAT FIGHTER WOULD HAVE LOST TO A NUMBER OF GUYS IN HIS OWN DIVISION, AND HE NEVER EVEN ATTEMPTED TO WIN THE FIGHT?

Clottey was removed from the top 10 after that awful performance, which proves that he should never have been there in the first place.

Please dont ever mention Josh " the punching bag " Clottey again.

Hatton - Ricky Hatton was never an elite fighter, the dude was clearly slipping and had been for a long time, he struggled with Collazo, Urango, Lascano, and he had just had his clock cleaned by Mayweather..... he was not on top of his game, and he was NOT in his prime. He wouldnt fight Witter to ensure that his rep at home stayed intact.

Now, you mentioned Mosley, and you mentioned Cotto..... so you are in for in now..... honestly, are you really ******, or are you under the impression that I am..... either way, those two guys will be covered in a following post.

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Miguel Cotto.....

When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.

Cotto was not on top of his game, he had begun to slide, he had no trainer to speak of, and was struggling with problems both in camp and at home relating to a family matter that affected his relationship with head trainer Evan Cotto.

Miguel was not on top of his game, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.

Listen to this reporter's take on the subject, shortly after the Clottey fight....

"I wasn’t exactly shocked to see Manny Pacquiao’s name being linked for a fight with Miguel Cotto after the Puerto Rican fighters disappointing performance last Saturday night against Joshua Clottey. As bad as Cotto looked in the fight, and believe me Cotto looked pretty awful, it seemed like a no brainer that Pacquiao would then select him as his next opponent.

But my question is why isn’t Pacquiao going after Shane Mosley or Paul Williams instead? Why the emphasis at fighting Cotto, when he was destroyed by Antonio Margarito last year? It seems to me the much better choice for Pacquiao would be to go after Mosley, since he beat Margarito a few months ago by a 9th round TKO.

Since Margarito has already stopped Cotto, the logical choice for Pacquiao to fight would be Mosley. That’s the bout that Pacquiao should be going after unless he wants to be considered a cherry picker."

Pacquiao saw that Cotto was ripe, so he jumped on him, but even the fact that Cotto had faded was not enough of an advantage for 27%..... so he demanded a catch-weight of 145lbs.

A catch-weight, for a title fight..... *** me, that is lame

Cotto of course, flatly refused. Miguel stated "147 if you want my title, but no-title if you need a catchweight". Of course, 27% demanded a catchweight and the title, it became a sticking point to get the fight made, so Cotto was forced to concede.

But even that was not enough for 27%, he demanded 143, even though his trainer Freddie Roach agreed to 144. Luckily for Miguel he stuck to his guns, or those cherry-picking ****s would have dragged him down to 143lbs.....
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/275865

Catch-weights.....

There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....

1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight

2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

The 143lb demand was an absolute joke, they really tried to do a number on Cotto. Just because the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.

What a fkn hypejob.

Now, before I finish with Cotto, read this article and see what Manny's mindset is regarding Cotto as an opponent.....

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...ome-with-cotto

That article proves that the 145 DEMAND was an intentional attempt to weight-drain Miguel Cotto.

But guess what, even that wasnt good enough for Manny, he tried to drain Cotto down to 143.....
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/275865

Dont ever mention Cotto again, Pacquiao's actions were disgraceful, and even cowardly..... there is nothing "great" about attempting to disadvantage a faded, damaged, champion, who was already far-from-his-best..... and who would have lost to a number of guys in his own division.

Many fighters would have beaten the faded, shop-worn, battered, 145lb, version of Cotto that Pacquiao fought...... there is nothing "great" there.

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Shane Mosley.....

What can I say, this will be short and sweet.....

Manny "padded" Pacquiao ducked Mosley not once, but TWICE!!

Initially, after the Margarito win back when Shane was ranked the #1 welter, Mosley offered to go down to 142-143, and then he even offered to drop to 140, but still Pac would not front up and fight him.

Until that is, Shane was 18 months older, and had suffered a loss to Mayweather in which he looked like an old man, and an ugly draw with Sergio Mora.

Now, all of a sudden..... Shane's the man

Who woulda thought, a boxer gets old and slow, and it is CLEARLY OBVIOUS that he can no longer pull the trigger..... and then he suddenly strikes the Pac-payday.

WTF ?

Notice a pattern emerging ?

Shot.....
Hoya > Hatton > Cotto > Margarito > Shane..... then 38yo Marquez at 147?

I truly cant believe that you can sit there and argue that Cotto and Mosley were performances worthy of "greatness".

GTFOH.... they were both a BLATANT cherry-pick.