Comments Thread For: Mark Johnson Rips Pacquiao, Talks Khan-Peterson, More

[mrjoeblive]

brutal honesty continues to slip under the radar from being perma-banned. completely useless cunt this guy. pops in when the opportunity arises to post his usual diatribe, dude is seriously emotionally hurt over blacks. begs me to wonder (for comical value) what traumatizing event that involved a black person in his sad pathetic life to have such ill will from this racist shrimp ****.

dummies like that douche bag get under my skin. we can talk trash about boxing all day. and at the end of the day its your opinion vs my opinion. and thats cool. but when you get into the race baiting thats just wrong. he should go back and revisit history for some brutal honesty. he is really deluded

[LeadUppercut]

Good point Joe, but actually, I did have a more comprehensive list but I just cant seem to find it. I did not include Gatti, but Diaz and Casa were both included, and popo/torres should both be even though he was done when Diaz beat him.

I tried using the search option, but I cant find stuff when I need it.

* Could Pac have beaten Zahir Raheem, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten Soto, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Guzman, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Diaz, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Casa, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Torres, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Freitas, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Campbell, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten a top lightweight, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a top jww, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Hoya, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Hoya at 154, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Cotto, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Cotto at 147, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Margarito, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Margarito at 154, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Margarito with 10oz gloves, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a Clottey that fought back, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a genuine jmw, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Mosley, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a past-prime Mosley when he first had the chance back when Shane was ranked the #1 welter, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten Ortiz (a guy who laid hands on him in sparring - Roach named that session as "the best sparring ever", a guy who beat a fighter who Arum admitted was on Pac's own shortlist, and a guy who was ranked higher than any welter Pac has ever fought), cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac beat JMM now at 140 (Pac's best weight, according to Manny), cuz he will not allow that to happen, 145lbs (a weight that Manny has never made himself ) was the deal-breaker? *** me, that is absurd.

* Could Pac have beaten Martinez for that vacant WBC title, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac beat Martinez at 150 now ("I will fight anyone at 150" ~ Manny Pacquiao), cuz he dont want none? Pac? Manny? Where'd that guy go?

* Could Pac beat Mayweather, cuz he hasnt?

* Could Pac pass Olympic Style Drug Testing, cuz he dont want none?

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The point is this.....

when something happens once, it is a coincidence..... when something happens twice, it is a pattern..... but when something happens continually for years, it is a detailed plan.

I dont know of too many genuine " greats ", in fact I dont know of any at all, who had a "plan" to avoid anyone dangerous, and only concentrate on old guys who are well-faded with a come-forward style.

I just dont see the greatness there, I dont see it at all.

A great fighter would have taken on at least some of those challenges listed above, a great fighter would have rematched Marquez immediately, a great fighter would have faced Mosley instead of manipulating/disadvantaging an already faded damaged Cotto, and a great fighter would rather have beaten Martinez in the ring for his WBC title, than fighting that disgraceful exhibition match, and then ducking Martinez at 154 AND 150.

Pacquiao is good, in fact he is very good, but he definitely aint great.

[LeadUppercut]

steak, i cannot give pac full props for the barrera fight. marco already had 70 fights by the time he got to pac. how much did he have left at that point. had he fought pac when was fresh he would have IMO done to pac what he did to naseem hamed,who hit a helluva lot harder than pac. thats just my view. also i have a big problem with all the in-house fights. in the last 4yrs pac has not fought anyone out side of top rank. you dont think thats a little suspect?

No, steak will not find that su****ious.

Top Rank has ALL of the best fighters, and Pac only fights the best

[Steak]

steak, i cannot give pac full props for the barrera fight. marco already had 70 fights by the time he got to pac. how much did he have left at that point. had he fought pac when was fresh he would have IMO done to pac what he did to naseem hamed,who hit a helluva lot harder than pac. thats just my view. also i have a big problem with all the in-house fights. in the last 4yrs pac has not fought anyone out side of top rank. you dont think thats a little suspect?

How much did he have left? Enough to beat Ayala, Morales, Peden, Fana and Juarez. He was VERY highly regarded leading up to the Pac fight, and still had outstanding performances afterward.

And having in house fights doesnt change the people hes beaten, and those people are more than good enough to make him an ATG, although he could have had a better career and did miss out on some fights.

And I thought Hatton and Marquez were Golden Boy promoted?

[John Barron]

dummies like that douche bag get under my skin. we can talk trash about boxing all day. and at the end of the day its your opinion vs my opinion. and thats cool. but when you get into the race baiting thats just wrong. he should go back and revisit history for some brutal honesty. he is really deluded

use the report function if you must. it takes care of the issue. arguing with idiots is a fool's task.

[mrjoeblive]

I am an angry white man, but according to him, today..... I am black

LOL welcome in brother!!!!!!!

[mrjoeblive]

How much did he have left? Enough to beat Ayala, Morales, Peden, Fana and Juarez. He was VERY highly regarded leading up to the Pac fight, and still had outstanding performances afterward.

And having in house fights doesnt change the people hes beaten, and those people are more than good enough to make him an ATG, although he could have had a better career and did miss out on some fights.

And I thought Hatton and Marquez were Golden Boy promoted?

marquez is now promoted by top rank. that was the way he got the 3rd pac fight. and that is why a lot of people speculate arum wants to do a 4th pac v jmm fight as opposed to pac v floyd. a lot of people thought barrera was shot after the 1st loss to eric. but he still had steam in the tank. from my perspective though, a young barrera would have beat pac IMO

[mrjoeblive]

use the report function if you must. it takes care of the issue. arguing with idiots is a fool's task.

i have to agree. nothing i say to that fool is going to change his perspective.

[mrjoeblive]

Good point Joe, but actually, I did have a more comprehensive list but I just cant seem to find it. I did not include Gatti, but Diaz and Casa were both included, and popo/torres should both be even though he was done when Diaz beat him.

I tried using the search option, but I cant find stuff when I need it.

* Could Pac have beaten Zahir Raheem, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten Soto, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Guzman, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Diaz, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Casa, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Torres, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Freitas, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Campbell, because he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten a top lightweight, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a top jww, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Hoya, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Hoya at 154, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Cotto, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Cotto at 147, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Margarito, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Margarito at 154, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Margarito with 10oz gloves, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a Clottey that fought back, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a genuine jmw, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Mosley, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a past-prime Mosley when he first had the chance back when Shane was ranked the #1 welter, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten Ortiz (a guy who laid hands on him in sparring - Roach named that session as "the best sparring ever", a guy who beat a fighter who Arum admitted was on Pac's own shortlist, and a guy who was ranked higher than any welter Pac has ever fought), cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac beat JMM now at 140 (Pac's best weight, according to Manny), cuz he will not allow that to happen, 145lbs (a weight that Manny has never made himself ) was the deal-breaker? *** me, that is absurd.

* Could Pac have beaten Martinez for that vacant WBC title, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac beat Martinez at 150 now ("I will fight anyone at 150" ~ Manny Pacquiao), cuz he dont want none? Pac? Manny? Where'd that guy go?

* Could Pac beat Mayweather, cuz he hasnt?

* Could Pac pass Olympic Style Drug Testing, cuz he dont want none?

===========================================

The point is this.....

when something happens once, it is a coincidence..... when something happens twice, it is a pattern..... but when something happens continually for years, it is a detailed plan.

I dont know of too many genuine " greats ", in fact I dont know of any at all, who had a "plan" to avoid anyone dangerous, and only concentrate on old guys who are well-faded with a come-forward style.

I just dont see the greatness there, I dont see it at all.

A great fighter would have taken on at least some of those challenges listed above, a great fighter would have rematched Marquez immediately, a great fighter would have faced Mosley instead of manipulating/disadvantaging an already faded damaged Cotto, and a great fighter would rather have beaten Martinez in the ring for his WBC title, than fighting that disgraceful exhibition match, and then ducking Martinez at 154 AND 150.

Pacquiao is good, in fact he is very good, but he definitely aint great.

lead, you are a bull dog. keep up the tenacity. i actually quote you sometimes when im bashing my pac friends on the scene."which excuse did you believe" LOL that always gets on their last nerve. thank you.

[LeadUppercut]

How much did he have left? Enough to beat Ayala, Morales, Peden, Fana and Juarez. He was VERY highly regarded leading up to the Pac fight, and still had outstanding performances afterward.

And having in house fights doesnt change the people hes beaten, and those people are more than good enough to make him an ATG, although he could have had a better career and did miss out on some fights.

And I thought Hatton and Marquez were Golden Boy promoted?

Read back, I gave Pac credit for Barrera I.

And even though the evidence you provided only suggested that Manny has beaten "good" fighters, I stated that I think Pac is a terrific fighter.