Comments Thread For: Mark Johnson Rips Pacquiao, Talks Khan-Peterson, More

[bose]

They avoided the hell out of him...Especially Mi Vida Loca, his people didn't want him anywhere near Too Sharp.

Montiel was 24 and already had 28 fights and was a 2 division title holder...He was already pass the prospect level.

It's funny how you want to make excuses on why Too Sharp beat Montiel. But, won't acknowledged that he was past his best when not only he fought Montiel butt when he also fought Rafa.

He still was pretty solid when he fought Rafa, he wasn't shot...His damn good win after the Rafa fights over, who at the time was the champion and 2 division title holder in, Montiel proves that.

I didn't even know who Montiel was back then. What belt did Montiel have back then the WBO? Ok i see how now that title is a legit title. If Too Sharp wanted those fights more noise would have been made. His down fall was his own. The Great Western Fourm back him but just wasn't enough.

I recall the Great Western Fourm guys backing him and hyping him up, but I don't aggree that he'd beat Romero or Tapia, two guys who keeping winning when they went up in weight. Sharp needed that top fighter to get him up there but i still belive going to jail hurt him in the long run. Look what happened with Floyd besides Hbo no one gave a damn about the guy but he keep winning and finally he got the Hoya fight that took him to the top. His chance was when he rematched Rafa. I say rematch because before that no one cared for Rafa either. Show me Sharps best win.

[PlayerKiller]

This mofo answer the question.

[LeadUppercut]

I said nothing about Pacquiao not fighting Mosley you dumbass.


And I obviously said

Which should have meant, to anyone with any sort of reading comprehension, that Mosley was old and past his best against Mayweather and Pacquiao. Prime Mosley wouldnt have lost to Cotto.

In other words, Mosley was past his best.

damn, most the time I would think someone as dumb as you would just be a guy trolling for fun, but you put forth so much effort that, its hard to believe but...youre probably real....


Lets see your top 10 p4p list, I think itd be fun to see.

Oh come on man, you really think that I will struggle to put together a top 10 P4P list?

GTFOH

Smarten up dude, do I sound like some kid..... I am REFUSING to allow you to change the subject and slink out the back door behind a wall of whiney excuses.

ANSWER MY QUESTION !! and you will get your list, no problem at all.

1.) Define P4P criteria, and then tell me how that applies to Pacquiao.
2.) List his " great " achievements

Dude, you cannot cherry-pick which parts of this conversation you wish to participate in, you cannot weight-drain me, or duck me, so man up.

[PlayerKiller]

Pull your damn jeans up fool, I don't want to make love to you, I want to rip them off and **** you.

[Brutal Honesty]

*** off clown, you are nothing but a fanboy b1tch.

You do not answer a question with a question, you clown.

Answer my question, or go drown yourself.

Read your post again, and see what a damn idiot you sound like.

all posters have to do is look at your posting history and see that all you do around here is slurp mayweather's balls and hate on pacquiao and you have the audacity to call another poster a fanboy?

Aaah ok, mark's comments were just racism.

Yep, that explains it.

DUDE, Martinez is not black, and he said the exact same thing.

Marquez aint black, and he said the exact same thing.

Atlas aint black.....

Go away man, how fkn lame to pull the race card.

how ironic, a black guy saying how lame to pull a race card. All you ****** black people do is pull the race card when things dont go your way. Martinez and marquez saying that, well if you werent such a narrow minded uneducated miscreant, one could see that marquez has an ax to grind and martinez is angling for a pacquiao fight.

[LeadUppercut]

It doesn't matter how they did it...I thought it was about equal...And, in a traditional P4P sense it's about equality right? So having catchweight reason is it can be equal? Unless we have our own criteria and opinion of what P4P is?

Dude, a reasonable, intelligent, knowledgeable, boxing fan...... would never argue in favor of catch-weights.

Whilst you insist that your standards remain so abysmally low, your credibility will sit at the exact same level.

You try to make out like you are some boxing history buff, but you really cannot comprehend the achievements that are attributed to truly great fighters under the original divisional system, without catchweights?

That is totally fkn pig-ignorant..... you must be messing with me, because you aint that bad a poster.

[Brutal Honesty]

i dont even need to give an explanation for why atlas doesnt like pacquiao. its pretty much common knowledge around these parts.

[jrosales13]

I didn't even know who Montiel was back then. What belt did Montiel have back then the WBO? Ok i see how now that title is a legit title. If Too Sharp wanted those fights more noise would have been made. His down fall was his own. The Great Western Fourm back him but just wasn't enough.

I recall the Great Western Fourm guys backing him and hyping him up, but I don't aggree that he'd beat Romero or Tapia, two guys who keeping winning when they went up in weight. Sharp needed that top fighter to get him up there but i still belive going to jail hurt him in the long run. Look what happened with Floyd besides Hbo no one gave a damn about the guy but he keep winning and finally he got the Hoya fight that took him to the top. His chance was when he rematched Rafa. I say rematch because before that no one cared for Rafa either. Show me Sharps best win.

Noise was made...Too Sharp wanted those fights and other fights....They didn't want Too Sharp simple.

[Steak]

Oh come on man, you really think that I will struggle to put together a top 10 P4P list?

GTFOH

Smarten up dude, do I sound like some kid..... I am REFUSING to allow you to change the subject and slink out the back door behind a wall of whiney excuses.

ANSWER MY QUESTION !! and you will get your list, no problem at all.

1.) Define P4P criteria, and then tell me how that applies to Pacquiao.
2.) List his " great " achievements

Dude, you cannot cherry-pick which parts of this conversation you wish to participate in, you cannot weight-drain me, or duck me, so man up.

1. Who you beat and how. Pacquiao has beaten a large number of quality fighters, some of them the best in their division, in their division. Often times dominantly.
2. Barrera 1-Best featherweight in the world, HOF, coming off wins over Morales and Hamed
Barrera 2- top 3 at Super featherweight, HOF, coming off a close controversial fight with Marquez
Cotto-top 3 at Welterweight, might get into the HOF eventually, maybe not, has gone on to be one of the best at 154lbs
Ledwaba-top 3 at super bantamweight, Pacquiao took the fight on 2 weeks notice
Chatchai Sasakul-best fighter at Flyweight
Ricky Hatton-best fighter at Light Welterweight
Joshua Clottey-Top 5 at Welterweight
Shane Mosley-top 10 at Welterweight
David Diaz-top 10 at lightweight

and I guess I wont mention HOF Marquez, since you will boohoo about it.

Now, lets see that p4p list.

[jrosales13]

Dude, a reasonable, intelligent, knowledgeable, boxing fan...... would never argue in favor of catch-weights.

Whilst you insist that your standards remain so abysmally low, your credibility will sit at the exact same level.

You try to make out like you are some boxing history buff, but you really cannot comprehend the achievements that are attributed to truly great fighters under the original divisional system, without catchweights?

That is totally fkn pig-ignorant..... you must be messing with me, because you aint that bad a poster.

I'm not trying to make myself out as anything. It's clearly that either you're an idiot or you just messing with me...But, you're that bad of a poster.

Knowledgeable posters understand that catch-weight fights go by fight to fight basis...In some instance catch-weights changes the outcome of the fight and in others it doesn't have no affect whatsoever.

But, that is all irrelevant to what we were actually discussing.

But, I'm trying to make this as simplistic for you as possible. If you don't think Pac is P4P top 20 that's fine...That's your opinion, you have own criteria and reasoning. If the next person thinks Pac is P4P #1 then that's fine that's his opinion, he would have his own criteria and reasoning.

My point for the last time, is that P4P is make believe, there's no such thing as a "REAL P4P LIST." It's a mythical opinion based ranking.