Why Floyd is a better counter puncher than Marquez

[Mr.0pal]

I personally don't consider Mayweather a counterpuncher. He is a defensive specialist with athletic ability to do what he wants to do. Marquez is a pure counterpuncher in his prime and still a skilled counterpuncher even today.

I do not understand that statement. So when Floyd counter punches... it's not actually counter punching... it's using athletic ability to do what he wants?

[Mr.0pal]

I want to know who questioned this in the first place?

Surprisingly, too many to name.

[2shameless]

Floyd's Timing/IQ > His Speed.

That very well may be, but showing clips of him outclassing a much slower, less talented and less experienced fighter certainly doesn't prove it.

[DE100]

That very well may be, but showing clips of him outclassing a much slower and less experienced fighter certainly doesn't prove it.

Could make GIF's of Floyd doing similar things to Zab, but just cant/dont want to (Another day). Since thats the example you used in terms of speed.

[Mr.0pal]

So you think Mayweather will step back away from Pacquiao's punches and that Pacquiao would continue to throw a combo at air?

You also think that the judges would score Manny hitting air as being good workrate? Or are you saying that Mayweather would stand there and let Pacquiao keep throwing punches at him like Clottey?

Mayweather has the countering ability and timing to throw at the same time as Pacquiao and stop his flurry in its tracks with a sharp counter and step to the side/back.

As for this debate, I honestly do not see anything that Marquez has over Mayweather apart from combination punching and uppercuts. Floyd is far superious at countering and in terms of intelligence IMO. He adjusts on the fly and rarely do you hear his corner barking orders at him, because he dictates the fight through his intelligence. He makes his opponents overthink things, whereas Marquez gets dragged into other people's fights too easily.

I think its way too convenient to just excuse that as being him wanting to please the crowd...nobody likes to get hit unless you're a nut like Mayorga. I could never see Mayweather allowing himself to get dropped 3 times in one round. Marquez lacks discipline that is why he gets dragged into brawls with guys like Katsidis and Diaz and gets dropped. I always said that was what he needed to correct vs Pacquiao and I was proud to see him fight with discipline vs Manny and grab the win...too bad the judges didn't give him what he deserved!

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[Konstantin]

This is placed into the argument because it nullifies JMM's counter punching. How great are your counter punching skills if they can be nullified?

So you're saying that Mayweather countered every single shot that Marquez landed? Because if he didn't, I guess he nullified Mayweathers counter punching skills according to you...

[S IP U IR S xII]

Its very simple....JMM takes more risk than Floyd. JMM will get hit more, but is just as good. Floyd just looks better technically because he limits his risks, and usually comes out not bruised up. Its just different styles with similar ways of creating offense.

P.S. and for anyone to assume what JMM did to Pac, that Floyd makes easy work because of what Floyd did to JMM.....yes it is very possible that Floyd shuts out Pac, but, back to what i said....JMM TAKES MORE RISKS (when Pac starts swinging, so does JMM - hes NOT AFRAID TO TRADE), and has much success with Pac because his risk taking mixed with his precision. Floyd IS NOT as big as a risk taker.

[Mr.0pal]

So you're saying that Mayweather countered every single shot that Marquez landed? Because if he didn't, I guess he nullified Mayweathers counter punching skills according to you...

Oh no... JMM countered Floyd more often because he's the superior counter puncher.... that's how his connect ratio was in the teens while Floyd's was around 50%.

[2shameless]

Could make GIF's of Floyd doing similar things to Zab, but just cant/dont want to (Another day). Since thats the example you used in terms of speed.

After Zab did the usual and gave up. I'd prefer an example of Floyd fighting someone with a huge advantage in speed. But there aren't any.

[Konstantin]

Oh no... JMM countered Floyd more often because he's the superior counter puncher.... that's how his connect ratio was in the teens while Floyd's was around 50%.

You're an idiot, I said Floyd was the better counter puncher. However including a lead left hook in an example of him being a better counter-puncher is just plain dumb.