Comments Thread For: So, Antonio Margarito Fans… Was It Worth It?

[LeadUppercut]

You should really be asking 'So, Miguel Cotto Fans, Was It Worth It?'.

Seeing a PR spend the entire fight going backwards, and the fight being stopped by the doctor.

Not exactly what i would want to see if i was PR that's for sure.

Oh well. I guess some people don't have any dignity.

Well, I am not from PR, but hell-yes was that fight worth it.

4 of my guys were on display over the weekend, but even if Mares/Chemito/Rios ALL won, I would have been unable to call the weekend successful had Cotto lost to Marg.

You bet it was satisfying watching Cotto school Margarito for 9 rounds and make him look like an amateur..... you bet it was satisfying watching Marg get his eye closed courtesy of Cotto hooks and jabs, you fkn bet your life it was.

But here is the very best part for me.....

You see, I am so pleased that Cotto did not KHTFO in the first round, that would have been awful for two reasons.....

1.) the sustained beating was much more entertaining and enjoyable

2.) In the first fight.....

* Cotto sustained a loss that he felt was undeserved

In the second fight.....

* Margarito sustained a loss that he felt was undeserved

Karma is a b1tch.

That was a very, VERY, satisfying weekend, thanks for your concern

[LeadUppercut]

So Resto, Trinidad, and Margarito are all the same? They should all receive lifetime bans?

You must be aware of the situation with Trinidad ?

Is that kinda dishonest of you to throw his name in there ?

YES !! Resto and Margarito should have been banned for life.

[LeadUppercut]

And Cotto took it back. Margo laffs getting ko'd, it's a pride thing. You know, when guys get hit and smaile, you know it connected good. Thanks for being happy for Cotto. I give both guys credit. Marg still got a good chin and it showed. And his will is not to be questioned.

That is exactly what happened.

Funny as hell to hear folks refer to that fight as a near-win for Margarito.

[LeadUppercut]

Look I'm Mexican/American and I call it like I see it:

Cotto was going to win that night and everyone who can view boxing without a nationalistic shield could see that as soon as the fight was announced for the following reasons:

1.Margarito's eye is permanently damaged

2.Cotto has improved since there last fight

3. Both men are getting past their prime it's just that Marg is already there

Now I don't agree that this is Cotto's biggest win (that was his victory over Shane Mosley) but I think the sigificance of this fight is important for his legacy which sounds hypocritical but let me explain.

Cotto has always had a follwing but we all know that it paled in comparison to such Puerto Rican greats like Wilfredo Gomez and more recently Tito Trinidad, he always needed a pitch and a element that could make him more than just a puerto rican favorite, he needed something to make him bigger and almost heroic. That happend on Saturday and even though the sigificance is slightly lessened when you consider the fact that both men are at a crossroads (Margs probably less than that now) but since Arum and co sold this Villain Vs Hero angle so perfectly it became an event and now Cotto is in a hero position that he had lacked to a certain extent throughout his career in other words he always had love but now that has reached a higher level.

Margarito will always have a black eye associated with him both literally and figuratively he will be in the same class as Luis Resto and others who have tarnished and hurt the sport and irregardless if he used those wraps before he fought Mosley or if his trainer did it as a one time thing there will always be doubts and that's what Margarito and his fans and critics will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

I think the whole element of lambasting Mexican or other fans of Margarito is unnecesary since we all know what a sick role nationalism and favoritism plays when it comes to the sport of Boxing and if the situation was reversed I think we all know that this argument would be just as crazy and riddled with racism and other less than favorable comments. It's just that the rammifacations are quite huge and I think that if you look at the way people can still support say A-Rod or Kobe Bryant despite the accusations and claims are people any less good or bad for supporting the Bad guy who maybe is not all that bad beyond the marketing that can be biased?

All in all congratulations to Miguel Cotto he fought like a champ and he won like a champ doctor stoppage or no doctor stoppage the result is the result.

Hardcore fans on all sides of the world will disagree with me on some or maybe all of my points and that's ok that the beauty of an opinion we all have one for better or worse but I respect that it's there.

Excellent post man, good stuff.

But can I point out one thing. When you said this.....

"I think the whole element of lambasting Mexican or other fans of Margarito is unnecesary since we all know what a sick role nationalism and favoritism plays when it comes to the sport of Boxing and if the situation was reversed I think we all know that this argument would be just as crazy and riddled with racism and other less than favorable comments"

1.) This is not a race issue, lets be clear on that. The writer referred to Margarito fans, regardless as to their country of origin.

2.) I love Mexican fighters, and Mexican people in general, but if Margarito was on fire, I would not p1ss on him to put it out..... and I know that a number of Mexicans feel exactly the same way.

3.) The nationalistic slant is magnified by the traditional PR/Mex rivalry

Also, I dont think Cotto has improved, I think that Margarito is more faded than he is, and Cotto fought a much smarter fight, (unsure if the lack of illegal hand-wraps made a difference because there is so much conjecture involved) but everything else that you said is gold

The bottom line:

The writer took the opportunity (and not because of some childish Mexican-bias, or because he is a Mayweather fan, as some idiot pointed out) to put the boot into a guy who has disgraced himself and the sport..... and while he had his toecaps on, the writer decided to give some of Margarito's fans an i-kick in the face as well..... and good for him.

Continued support of cheato is completely unjustifiable, so *** Margarito's butt-hurt fans who all decided to continue supporting a guy who attempted to commit the ultimate sin in boxing, they can handle the jandle or go cry elsewhere.

[LeadUppercut]

23 pages Lyle, and counting..... good work bro

Guys, has anyone ever read Roldies MAAT series ?

For the uneducated, that is the "Measured against All Time" series written by Cliff Rold?

A great read huh ?

Well, give yourselves an uppercut, because that is nothing but Cliff's personal opinion.

Now, I rate Cliff's personal opinion very highly, and I love that series..... but it is still just an opinion..... exactly like Lyle's "opinion" earlier.

All of you who stated that the article was "inappropriate", but then still decided to comment anyway need to stop for a tactical rethink.

[RIZO24]

No he didn't Knock Margarito out......

Margarito beating Cotto to the point that he had to take a knee because he couldn't take it anymore > Cotto hitting a previously injured eye and having the doctor stop it.



the wins aren't comparable....I'm happy for Cotto but his win isn't greater.
Margarito took Cotto's soul. Cotto hit Margarito win bombs and he just laughed it off and wanted to continue

Exactly how I feel!! This Cotto win does not prove that Margs had loaded gloves in the first fight, in oonly proved to me that Cotto's stamina was wacked in the first fight!! MArgs took Jottos soul in the first fight and he has never been he same after!!!!Jotto fought good and i give him credit for his win but I like My favorite fighters to win with a lot less back peddling and boxing. I guess I like brawlers who have heart VS boxers who outbox and risk less!!!WAR MARGARITO!!!!!

[sangresabia]

A K.O is when a fighter is rendered unconscious or fails to beat the count that is a K.O a TKO is when a fighter, ref, doctor, corner man decide that a fighter cannot safely continue the bout in this case it was because of a swollen eye I didn’t see anyone get Knocked Out.

By definition, Margarito was knocked out technically.

Definition:
knockout (also referred to as a K.O.) is a fight-ending, winning criterion in several full-contact combat sports.

The fight ended (early!) and the winning criterion was achieved = KNOCKOUT

Miguel's record on Friday:
Total fights 38
Wins 36
Wins by KO 29


Miguel's record today:
Total fights 39
Wins 37
Wins by KO 30

[sangresabia]

Look I'm Mexican/American and I call it like I see it:

Cotto was going to win that night and everyone who can view boxing without a nationalistic shield could see that as soon as the fight was announced for the following reasons:

1.Margarito's eye is permanently damaged

2.Cotto has improved since there last fight

3. Both men are getting past their prime it's just that Marg is already there

Now I don't agree that this is Cotto's biggest win (that was his victory over Shane Mosley) but I think the sigificance of this fight is important for his legacy which sounds hypocritical but let me explain.

Cotto has always had a follwing but we all know that it paled in comparison to such Puerto Rican greats like Wilfredo Gomez and more recently Tito Trinidad, he always needed a pitch and a element that could make him more than just a puerto rican favorite, he needed something to make him bigger and almost heroic. That happend on Saturday and even though the sigificance is slightly lessened when you consider the fact that both men are at a crossroads (Margs probably less than that now) but since Arum and co sold this Villain Vs Hero angle so perfectly it became an event and now Cotto is in a hero position that he had lacked to a certain extent throughout his career in other words he always had love but now that has reached a higher level.

Margarito will always have a black eye associated with him both literally and figuratively he will be in the same class as Luis Resto and others who have tarnished and hurt the sport and irregardless if he used those wraps before he fought Mosley or if his trainer did it as a one time thing there will always be doubts and that's what Margarito and his fans and critics will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

I think the whole element of lambasting Mexican or other fans of Margarito is unnecesary since we all know what a sick role nationalism and favoritism plays when it comes to the sport of Boxing and if the situation was reversed I think we all know that this argument would be just as crazy and riddled with racism and other less than favorable comments. It's just that the ramifacations are quite huge and I think that if you look at the way people can still support say A-Rod or Kobe Bryant despite the accusations and claims are people any less good or bad for supporting the Bad guy who maybe is not all that bad beyond the marketing that can be biased?

All in all congratulations to Miguel Cotto he fought like a champ and he won like a champ doctor stoppage or no doctor stoppage the result is the result.

Hardcore fans on all sides of the world will disagree with me on some or maybe all of my points and that's ok that the beauty of an opinion we all have one for better or worse but I respect that it's there.

I agree with everything except what's highlighted. You can't compare PED use or ALLEGED **** to the possibility of Margarito assaulting Cotto and the intention to do so to Mosley. That people downplay what Margarito did or attempted to do is ridiculous to me.

Truth about the nationalism stuff. This is all one world.

[Doc Holliday]

You must be aware of the situation with Trinidad ?

Is that kinda dishonest of you to throw his name in there ?

YES !! Resto and Margarito should have been banned for life.

Not dishonest at all. They all had illegal wraps, so if severity doesn't matter, they're all cheaters and should all be banned.

[crold1]

23 pages Lyle, and counting..... good work bro

Guys, has anyone ever read Roldies MAAT series ?

For the uneducated, that is the "Measured against All Time" series written by Cliff Rold?

A great read huh ?

Well, give yourselves an uppercut, because that is nothing but Cliff's personal opinion.

Now, I rate Cliff's personal opinion very highly, and I love that series..... but it is still just an opinion..... exactly like Lyle's "opinion" earlier.

All of you who stated that the article was "inappropriate", but then still decided to comment anyway need to stop for a tactical rethink.

First...thanks!

Second...this is Lyle's weekly column. Agree or disagree, that's the point. Columns in general, across genre, are informed point of view pieces. The whole point is that they are opinion, whether explicitly or by angle to make one swing. Anyone who reads a column and walks away going 'that was biased' sort of missed the point. For those who
do get it, hate it or love it, all valid.

Cheers.