Miguel Cotto is MORE or as Shot as Antonio Margarito!

[DrewWoodside]

I think the catchweight hurts Margarito much more than it does Cotto. The guy was a welter from the age of 18 up until the Mosley fight. Once he moved up there was NO moving down but he did it anyway against Pacquiao and had nothing after the first body shot Manny landed. The weight won't affect Cotto but if his stamina hasn't improved it won't matter.

I feel like Cotto was a small welterweight. Who had unfortunately outgrown what was arguably one of his best weight classes in Jww. I think north of 147 is only another step in the wrong direction in terms of how it will affect Cotto's ability to move.

I think Cotto needs all his agility for this one, we haven't seen Cotto very fleet footed recently and while more weight probably assists his power slightly. I don't think it's helping his mobility very much..

I think it will be very interesting to see exactly what Margarito weighs in at and how healthy he looks. If he comes in okay without having had to cut too much weight towards the end, I think he'll rehydrate and be fully fit.. We'll see shortly.

[IMDAZED]

I feel like Cotto was a small welterweight. Who had unfortunately outgrown what was arguably one of his best weight classes in Jww. I think north of 147 is only another step in the wrong direction in terms of how it will affect Cotto's ability to move. I think Cotto needs all his agility for this one, we haven't seen Cotto very fleet footed recently and I while more weight probably assists his power slightly. I don't think it's helping his mobility very much.. I think it will be very interesting to see exactly what Margarito weighs in at and how healthy he looks. If he comes in okay without having had to cut too much weight towards the end, I think he'll rehydrate and be fully fit.. We'll see shortly.

You make good points. I don't know, man. I just know I feel bad for Cotto. Good guy in the wrong sport.

[DrewWoodside]

You make good points. I don't know, man. I just know I feel bad for Cotto. Good guy in the wrong sport.

I think if boxing has taught us anything.. Good and bad karma don't always have direct results in the ring.. You can be a d*ck and still win. One thing that I think is huge for Cotto however is IMO if he survives to see the final bell. He wins.

It will probably be near impossible for Margarito to win a decision. However, imo Arum likes Margarito more than Cotto. It's kind of like they're both his sons, but he likes Margarito more. Probably appreciates how Margs is an unapologetic bad guy. So perhaps Arums pulls the proper strings to make sure this fight is scored on an even playing field? Which would still be difficult in front of such a partial crowd.

[IMDAZED]

I think if boxing has taught us anything.. Good and bad karma don't always have direct results in the ring.. You can be a d*ck and still win. One thing that I think is huge for Cotto however is IMO if he survives to see the final bell. He wins.

It will probably be near impossible for Margarito to win a decision. However, imo Arum likes Margarito more than Cotto. It's kind of like they're both his sons, but he likes Margarito more. Probably appreciates how Margs is an unapologetic bad guy. So perhaps Arums pulls the proper strings to make sure this fight is scored on an even playing field? Which would still be difficult in front of such a partial crowd.

I think Arum likes Margarito a whole lot more. It'll be an even playing field, alright. Cotto, who has run his mouth and is on his last fight in a contract, better watch his back .

[IMDAZED]

i said there were times he decided to stand and trade and times he decided to move and box. even in the later rounds when he was boxing there were still moments where he stood in front of garcia and unloaded a few combos and traded. of course in the earlier rounds he had more stamina to slug it out with garcia, but as the rounds progressed he decided to box more to conserve stamina.

Whatever, dude. If that was the case how did he look sluggish? Again, I encourage you to click on the link and watch the fight for the first time, if you haven't clicked it yet. Thanks.

[DrewWoodside]

I think Arum likes Margarito a whole lot more. It'll be an even playing field, alright. Cotto, who has run his mouth and is on his last fight in a contract, better watch his back .

Arum sees some of his own gangster in Margarito and likes it. Which ever way it goes, Saturday night is going to be something to watch.

[IMDAZED]

maybe sluggish was the wrong word..but he just didn't look to have the best stamina during the fight which explains why he chose to box more and at times he looked awkward, which could all be due to his inactivity from the ring.

Stop, you're insulting my intelligence. You didn't watch the fight, jumped in to somehow protect your hero (from what?) and now are backtracking and blah blah. And you wonder why we call some of you *******s. All we ask is that you learn the sport and follow other fighters. Not just speak on anything you somehow feel will glorify your hero. Enough already.

[joseph5620]

(Warning: Thinking Intensive)

A lot of the discussion on who will win Saturday night hinges on who boxing fans think is more "shot." As always, in boxing you are only as good as your last fight.. So it makes a lot of sense that the boxing public is giving Cotto an edge in terms of who has more left in the tank. However, a lot of this is based on Margarito's last fight, a beating at the hands of Manny Pacquiao. Also, his fight before that against Roberto Garcia, which fans considered to be just an okay performance. However, note that it has been confirmed by Team Margarito that Margarito was making a conscious effort to put rounds under his belt after an extended period of inactivity.

So, this brings us to Cotto. 2-0 in his last two fights, both won by convincing stoppage. But, consider the opposition. A relatively unproven Yuri Foreman who was fighting without one of his legs.. And was consequently knocked out again in his very next fight, this time by one Pawel Wolak. Also, the Wolak stoppage ocurred even sooner and when Foreman was at full health. The next fight was against what remains of consumate under achiever Ricardo Mayorga.

So supposing Antonio Margarito's last two fights were against Foreman and Mayorga and he won them both by equally convincing stoppages. And imagine everyone's last memory of Cotto was his knockout loss to Manny Pacquiao. Is it possible to say that perhaps the boxing public would be viewing Cotto as the more "shot" fighter and NOT Margarito? Basing such an important determination(who's more shot) on such subjective information leads to the type of smoke in mirrors that results in upsets.

I think at the very least it would be incredibly more reasonable to assume both men are equally "shot" or that the variable in this situation was negligible. Which would only bring us right back to where both men were in 2008 when they last met. Wraps aside of course since it's impossible to know for sure exactly the impact of what was in Margarito's gloves(or if there was anything illegal in them or not, although I think there was).

I'm a big Cotto fan, and this thread's intention is simply to point out Margarito may not be as shot(at least in relation to Cotto's shotness) as many think he is. Thoughts, disagreements? Please discuss!

I completely agree with you. Nice breakdown.

[ßringer]

Heh.

I remember the days when I would refer to fighters who had taken a few beatings, or looked less than stellar in recent fights as "shot", too. Difference is, I'm a bit more mature as a fan now, and I don't think any of you guys should be so quick to label Cotto or Margarito as "shot", just because they both got whipped on by Pacquiao.

Bear in mind : Just a few weeks ago Juan Manuel Marquez was looked upon as a dead man walking against Pacquiao in their 3rd clash, and look what happened there.

[DrewWoodside]

Heh.

I remember the days when I would refer to fighters who had taken a few beatings, or looked less than stellar in recent fights as "shot", too. Difference is, I'm a bit more mature as a fan now, and I don't think any of you guys should be so quick to label Cotto or Margarito as "shot", just because they both got whipped on by Pacquiao.

Bear in mind : Just a few weeks ago Juan Manuel Marquez was looked upon as a dead man walking against Pacquiao in their 3rd clash, and look what happened there.

Yup, and I was also predicting for that fight. It's just two elite fighters who know eachother very well. I see this fight in a similar light. Like in Pac/Jmm 3, I think it will be very obvious in the first 4 rounds whether or not public perception was correct or not. For this fight if anyone is shot, how much impact the potential absence of wraps is, and whether or not this is a new ball game or if they're picking up where they left off.

I too used to throw around the word shot too *******ly when I first started watching, but it really is a word that should be applied carefully. It's easy to mislead yourself with the word shot.