Was roy jones a paper champ?

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  • spinksjinx
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    #11
    Originally posted by bpapa420
    I usually dont count people like that as champs. If fans got together and decided not to support these paper chumps boxing would be better today. I am a firm believer of the linear title.

    I totally agree, Although some of the linear champs today well get my thumbs down.....

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    • Kimmy
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      #12
      Differcult situation, Jones didn`t beat the linar champ in DM but he did fight better than you claim. He beat Mike McCallum and i know the WBC belt was bogus but McCallum still had something to offer. Montell Griffin was a decent fighter, so was Louis Del Valle, Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, David Telesco, Eric Harding and Juilo Gonzales. I think because Roy made it look easy people didn`t give him the credit. True he didn`t beat Darius but that fight didn`t happen because Roy refused to fight in German. Watch a Sven Ottke fight and you`ll understand why. The fact is Roy beat everyone else there was at that time. Up until his KO loss to Tarver, Roy had beaten every lightheavy worth mentioning expect Darius so.....even though i acknowledge tha by virture of beating Virgil Hill in June 1997 Daruis was the linar champ, Roy had the better quality of Comp and fought some times 3 times a year. I can`t ignore the opponents on his record, Roy was the lightheavyweight champion!

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      • Neuraxis
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        #13
        Originally posted by asian_sensation
        Then that Letterlough guy is the lightheavyweight champ I guess. Julio Gonzalez beat Michaelzcewski, bue lost to Letterlough.
        You mean Erdei.

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        • Neuraxis
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          #14
          Originally posted by Kimmy
          Differcult situation, Jones didn`t beat the linar champ in DM but he did fight better than you claim. He beat Mike McCallum and i know the WBC belt was bogus but McCallum still had something to offer. Montell Griffin was a decent fighter, so was Louis Del Valle, Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, David Telesco, Eric Harding and Juilo Gonzales. I think because Roy made it look easy people didn`t give him the credit. True he didn`t beat Darius but that fight didn`t happen because Roy refused to fight in German. Watch a Sven Ottke fight and you`ll understand why. The fact is Roy beat everyone else there was at that time. Up until his KO loss to Tarver, Roy had beaten every lightheavy worth mentioning expect Darius so.....even though i acknowledge tha by virture of beating Virgil Hill in June 1997 Daruis was the linar champ, Roy had the better quality of Comp and fought some times 3 times a year. I can`t ignore the opponents on his record, Roy was the lightheavyweight champion!
          RJJ also wanted a 70/30 split once DM agreed to fight in the United States.

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          • Xecutioner
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            #15
            i dunno, how do you duck DM and fight john ruiz, i think ruiz is/was a much more dangerous opponent. jones is a shrewed businessman, he basically bent over john ruiz with no lube on that fight deal. thats why hopkins and jones never had a rematch, both of their egos got in the way of a fair deal and thats also why dm/jones was never done. that fight didnt make financial sense to either man . DM and Jones could both fight joe blow in their home countries and collect nice paydays without much risk.

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            • Neuraxis
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              #16
              Originally posted by Xecutioner
              i dunno, how do you duck DM and fight john ruiz, i think ruiz is/was a much more dangerous opponent. jones is a shrewed businessman, he basically bent over john ruiz with no lube on that fight deal. thats why hopkins and jones never had a rematch, both of their egos got in the way of a fair deal and thats also why dm/jones was never done. that fight didnt make financial sense to either man . DM and Jones could both fight joe blow in their home countries and collect nice paydays without much risk.
              Not when Jay Nady is the ref.

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              • Truth
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                #17
                Roy was a paper champ at heavyweight but not at the other weight classe he won titles in. Roy was great fighter.

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                • Ivansmamma
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                  #18
                  Roy was the man at lightheavyweight, He beat everyonee except DM because he didn't want to fight in Germany, for obvious reasons.

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                  • DLT
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by bpapa420
                    Why do I know it? Oh yeah he fought and beat all of those credible opponents before tarver. Sorry I forgot
                    Jones was clearly washed up when he faught Tarver. Tarver had no chance even a few fights before that and anyone who thinks so is crazy. Look what Jones did against Johnson he was clearly washed up and look what Johnson did against Tarver. Clearly both of those fighters were B level. They had no chane against Jones even a few fights earlier

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                    • LuKahnLi
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                      #20
                      It doesn't matter if he beat DM. The lineal championship line was already cut when DM beat Hill. This is moot.

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