My Top 20 fighters Ever

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Atlas said it best:

Diaz, made to order
Hatton, made to order
Oscar, dead at weight
Clottey, wouldn't fight
Cotto, dead at weight and damage
Margarito, no plaster (and I like Margarito)
Mosley, old and shot


That's his record above 130. I don't like the Diaz fight because Casamayor was the real champion but hey, I didn't diss the fight.

LOL @ using Atlas. He hates Pacquiao. He picks against him every time and looks like a fool when he is wrong and he has to backtrack. I'm not even a big Pacquiao fan, I just call it like I see it.

So, Ray Robinson's opponents were all made to order, so were Ali's. Slow lumbering black and white dudes fighting more athletic fighters. Do you discredit them as well?

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LOL @ using Atlas. He hates Pacquiao. He picks against him every time and looks like a fool when he is wrong and he has to backtrack. I'm not even a big Pacquiao fan, I just call it like I see it.

So, Ray Robinson's opponents were all made to order, so were Ali's. Slow lumbering black and white dudes fighting more athletic fighters. Do you discredit them as well?

lol, Atlas respected Pacquiao just until recently when he beat Mosley. That was the first time I heard Atlas trash Pacquiao.


And no. Ali consistently fought greats and I'm not big on Ali at all. I get insulted for saying Holyfield, Lennox, Vitali and Tyson could beat him.

Ray Robinson is great, don't get me wrong but when you fight like every two weeks against guys who are like literally fighting just to get a drink on the weekend, of course your gonna have a huge record and their records would look amazing. SRR is "the" pioneer of the game, so I think more people look at that than seeing what the time was like.

Pacquiao on the other hand. I give him all the credit for what he did pre-140. After that, he diluted his opposition. He went from fighting the mexican greats to fighting catchweights.

I mean, he's okay fighting Clottey at 147 but wants to fight a guy who has a questionable chin-below 147 at a catchweight below 147?

Hector Camacho could be a top 10 ATG if he told Trinidad and Oscar "nah, you have to fight 145." he'd probably have beat him too at that weight.

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lol, Atlas respected Pacquiao just until recently when he beat Mosley. That was the first time I heard Atlas trash Pacquiao.


And no. Ali consistently fought greats and I'm not big on Ali at all. I get insulted for saying Holyfield, Lennox, Vitali and Tyson could beat him.

Ray Robinson is great, don't get me wrong but when you fight like every two weeks against guys who are like literally fighting just to get a drink on the weekend, of course your gonna have a huge record and their records would look amazing. SRR is "the" pioneer of the game, so I think more people look at that than seeing what the time was like.

Pacquiao on the other hand. I give him all the credit for what he did pre-140. After that, he diluted his opposition. He went from fighting the mexican greats to fighting catchweights.

I mean, he's okay fighting Clottey at 147 but wants to fight a guy who has a questionable chin-below 147 at a catchweight below 147?

Hector Camacho could be a top 10 ATG if he told Trinidad and Oscar "nah, you have to fight 145." he'd probably have beat him too at that weight.

No, he wouldn't.

I don't get why you don't give him credit for Hatton. Who would you have him fight instead? Don't say Bradley either.

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No, he wouldn't.

I don't get why you don't give him credit for Hatton. Who would you have him fight instead? Don't say Bradley either.

I don't give him a ton of credit for the win. I give him credit for it however. He was pretty much the only worthy opponent at that weight. He was tailor made but I don't act like Hatton was a pushover.


And Camacho probably would have if he forced them to go lower than where they were comfortable. Those guys weren't small welterweights at all. Specially Trinidad.

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Atlas said it best:

Diaz, made to order
Hatton, made to order
Oscar, dead at weight
Clottey, wouldn't fight
Cotto, dead at weight and damage
Margarito, no plaster (and I like Margarito)
Mosley, old and shot


That's his record above 130. I don't like the Diaz fight because Casamayor was the real champion but hey, I didn't diss the fight.

Mayweather, old, hadn't fought in 8 months

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I don't give him a ton of credit for the win. I give him credit for it however. He was pretty much the only worthy opponent at that weight. He was tailor made but I don't act like Hatton was a pushover.


And Camacho probably would have if he forced them to go lower than where they were comfortable. Those guys weren't small welterweights at all. Specially Trinidad.

Well I'm not acting like it's the biggest thing either, but still, he won, when a lot thought he was going to beat Pac. You seem to think a lot of Pac judging by how you feel all of these capable fighters were tailor-made for him.

FYI- I have Pacquiao top 25-30 all-time based largley on what he did at 140 and below, what he has done at 147 doesn't leave a lot to be desired.

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you also forgot margarito was dead at the weight, remember there was a catchweight

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Well I'm not acting like it's the biggest thing either, but still, he won, when a lot thought he was going to beat Pac. You seem to think a lot of Pac judging by how you feel all of these capable fighters were tailor-made for him.

FYI- I have Pacquiao top 25-30 all-time based largley on what he did at 140 and below, what he has done at 147 doesn't leave a lot to be desired.

Nah, only 2 guys were tailor made. Clottey and Hatton.

The rest were just under catchweight circumstances. Which isn't exactly fair seeing how those guys have weight issues.


But yeah. I have no problem with it. I just wanted to see why you thought that. Notice how I didn't mention anything about the guys he fought pre-140. Cause I see all of those as legit, good wins.

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you also forgot margarito was dead at the weight, remember there was a catchweight

Atlas said Margarito was no plaster. lol


Was a catchweight fair? Not really but it was 150, what can I possibly say? Pacquiao never fought anyone else that high.

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Atlas said Margarito was no plaster. lol


Was a catchweight fair? Not really but it was 150, what can I possibly say? Pacquiao never fought anyone else that high.

Yeah the Marg fight gets no credit from me. Nor the Mosley fight. Mosley was calling Pac out for ages and Pac wouldn't fight him until Floyd whooped him and he struggled with Mora. Pretty shady by Team Pac.