Were Ali's fights against Sonny Liston rigged?

[Dark Destroyer]

Saying he lacked heart is also an insult to Muhammed Ali

[Boxerdog]

Asiansensation to say Sonny Liston lacked heart is ******. A bad beating made him quit the first Ali fight and a quick punch took him out in the second.

Asian Sensation could never say anything ******!
He's the smartest 17 year old fighting flip his alter ego has ever known!

[scramwarrior]

Saying he lacked heart is also an insult to Muhammed Ali

I know Liston had heart, he just was frustrated by Ali. Like when you're at work and you get pissed and complain to your boss. Your boss doesn't say "look here..you have no heart!" It's called stress and Liston was so stressed from Ali that he quit. The 2nd fight? I think it may have been fixed, but I doubt it. All we can view that phantom punch from is like 1 angle, so I guess it will never really be proven.

[Floydmayweather]

Liston would never lie down for Ali he had to much pride. In the second fight he was clearly hit by a punch altough at first glance it looks like a shadow punch. Liston could maybe get up but he was scared to death.

[Mr. Ryan]

Asian Sensation could never say anything ******!
He's the smartest 17 year old fighting flip his alter ego has ever known!

Exactly! Even my other alter ego Red Rum says the same thing, right Red?

[Mr. Ryan]

Asiansensation to say Sonny Liston lacked heart is ******. A bad beating made him quit the first Ali fight and a quick punch took him out in the second.

Say what you want of me, I never quit in a fight and never will. How a fighter can be conscious and quit in the ring is beyond me.

[Dark Destroyer]

Say what you want of me, I never quit in a fight and never will. How a fighter can be conscious and quit in the ring is beyond me.

He got busted up bad in the fight and mentally beaten before the fight. Liston was a very tough man and he wouldn't quit like that unless he was beaten which he was. Ali beating him while he was blinded will have killed his confidence too.

[Mr. Ryan]

He got busted up bad in the fight and mentally beaten before the fight. Liston was a very tough man and he wouldn't quit like that unless he was beaten which he was. Ali beating him while he was blinded will have killed his confidence too.

A new thread maybe?

[Dark Destroyer]

A new thread maybe?

What? Don't you think he was blinded?

[Mr. Ryan]

What? Don't you think he was blinded?

I think Liston used an astringent substance on his glove to blind Ali so he could get some free shots. When that didn't work, he simply said "**** this, I'm rich" and quit.