My, possibly final, Pacquiao-Marquez Scorecard

[tatangb45]

First of all…I’m a pac fan, I tried not to be biased, but who am I to say I wasn’t…draw your own conclusions….

if you will….

I FINALLY re-watched the fight, it took me a while to get around to it, but I was busy. So, I watched via VLC Player, pausing, replaying, and playing a lot of the exchanges at .50x, .60x speed to catch shots I otherwise would've missed. In conclusion, I had Pacquiao winning by 2 or by 1 round at the very least (round 10 could’ve been even)….but then I went back to a few rounds, round 11 in particular and changed that one to Pacquiao (as explained below). This fight was the more tactical fight between the 3, and one of the more entertaining tactical fights in recent memory.

2 of the more striking highlights of this fight--I thought Marquez did a better job than Manny actually controlling the pace of the fight with subtle foot movement. The way he positioned his body to take away Manny’s left hand was truly beautiful. He knew exactly what he was doing in there. As for him stepping on Manny’s foot, I say it's due to their stance, but watching the fight I'm not entirely convinced anymore (still could be as I first suspected, then again, there’s no way you don’t know you’ve stepped on someone’s foot and then immediately look to launch an attack)...If done on purpose for the most part, it was quite classless, but I couldn't surely tell. I don’t condone fighting dirty, but if the ref doesn’t warn your opponent, make your own statement. Moving on.

Something overlooked on Pacquiao was the right hands he lands, a lot of these shots were short and happened very quickly, which I surely looked over when I first watched the fight. Unless you guys have very keen eyes, I'm sure you may have as well. Again, I suggest watching many of the exchanges in slow mode, like I did, for a better visual as to what happened. I might even suggest you watch the fight on mute, unless you believe you can overlook the “oos” and “awes” and Jim Lampley all at the same time (haven’t watched any other recording).

For those saying, Marquez won, I'll just quote Emmanuel Steward on this one, "It’s a big difference between doing much better than the crowd or the public expected than actually winning on the scorecards.” It was a close fight, but there was no robbery. I suppose you can (I couldn’t do it) find a way to make it a draw at the very least. I think Pac detractors are just shocked that this "one-dimensional fighter" had more trouble than expected against a "legend" Oh, the irony. Another thing, I think the end of the fight was a tad theatrical and gave way to unreasonable emotions. Marquez celebrates a less than clear victory, while Pacquiao is disappointed he didn’t dominate (similar reaction post-Mosley). Simple minds see simple things…no offense, if you hear the same song every single day on the radio, you will believe it is a hit…when a stadium is packed with Mexican/Marquez supporters and they “boo” the winner of a close fight, you will believe there is reason for it. I’m sorry, I’ve seen this before on the biggest stage boxing had to offer, remember De La Hoya vs Mayweather? What did Oscar actually do to warrant all those “oos” and “awes” during the fight? Nothing, and that decision should’ve been unanimous.

All in all, Great Fight! It may have not been pretty, but Pacquiao won. I don’t ask you to take my word for it, I merely ask that you watch the fight and really dedicate your time to it. Replay exchanges, slow them down and study everything.

Scorecard (which I must admit has rounds that were so close, I could still change my opinion, say if I continue to consume my time with this fight...I probably won't, though. It's time to move on. I thought a 4th fight might be a good thing only because of the public outcry)

Pacquiao-Marquez
Round 1. 10-9
Round 2. 9-10
Round 3. 10-9
Round 4. 10 -9
Round 5. 9-10
Round 6. 10-9
Round 7. 9-10
Round 8. 9-10
Round 9. 10-9 (classic Lampley in this round, I’m sure there were more, I was just more focused on the fight)
Round 10. 10-9. I gave this one to Pac, but it was a pretty even round. You can call it a 10-10, or give it to Marquez
Round 11. 10-9 At first I had it for Marquez but then I watched the entire round at .50x speed or slower, I think Pacquiao just barely edged it out, just an example of how I saw things, not like compubox would, but for the more clearer shots:

2:16 Pacquiao lands straight left to head
2:08 Pacquiao lands left to the body
2:05 Pacquiao lands left to the head
2:03-2:02 Pacquiao probably lands an ineffective uppercut to Marquez’s body (bad angle)-Marquez slaps Manny with his wrist, followed by a left hook to Pacquiao’s head.
1:59 Pacquiao appears to land a jab (bad angle), before...
1:59 Marquez grazes Pacquiao with an uppercut, while moving back.
1:51 Marquez lands a right to the head
1:27 Pacquiao lands nice right hook to the head
1:25 Marquez lands left uppercut AND right hand to the head
1:20 Pacquiao lands left hand, followed by a right hand to the head
1:17 Pacquiao lands a little right hand to the chin
00:54 Pacquiao lands right hand to the head
00:13 Pacquiao lands left hand AND Marquez lands a left of his own as Pacquiao moves to his right

Round 12. 10-9

116-112 (my 2nd score was 115-113 prior to changing round 11, and counting round 10 for Pac…but clearly these changes could make it a draw in an instant. Close fight, close rounds, no robbery)

Thanks for reading. Agree or disagree…try to be nice

Re the stepping on the foot.
People hardly look at the feet placements when watching a fight. The ref, the judges and the viewers are fixed on the action above the waist. It's a fast action competition that if you take away your eyes from the punches being thrown, you would likely miss a lot of what is going on.
The subtle details of things happening below the waist, like stepping on the opponent's feet, intentional or otherwise, will most likely go unnoticed.
If intentional, the perpetrator will probably get away with it.

Thanks for the replay and the slomo, people can now carefully review in detail what really transpired.

[Kagami Taiga]

pac fan circle jerk...smh...this is what u guys have been relegated to??

btw i scored it a draw. just like i scored the other 2 fights. face it, jmm is pacs equal in the ring.

[SCEN3RY]

pac fan circle jerk...smh...this is what u guys have been relegated to??

btw i scored it a draw. just like i scored the other 2 fights. face it, jmm is pacs equal in the ring.

fair opinion, there's a reason we had 3 fights, right?

[hypodermical]

fair enough...but if you had to re-watch and slow mo to look for a reason pac won...he probably didn't.

That makes zero sense.

The judges called it right. Everyone else was shocked at and driven by how well JMM performed.
I scored it 115-113 after careful rewatching.

[americanbot]

it was 7 rounds to 4 marquez.....

marquez clearly won the fight....

[| THE KING |]

Agreed TS... People expected Pac to smoke JMM out in 1-3 rounds IMO, which led to them being irrational when judging the fight. Pac and JMM will always have a close fight with one another. JMM is a great fighter.. some here act surprised.

[americanbot]

That makes zero sense.

The judges called it right. Everyone else was shocked at and driven by how well JMM performed.
I scored it 115-113 after careful rewatching.

the judges were bought off. no way can you give pac more then 5 rounds in that fight.

i watched it 3 times already.......7 rounds to 4.

marquez CLEARLY won this time.

the gig is up.............

[Left2theliver]

Great post man. It's nice to see other members on here use logic and reason as opposed to basing things on their emotions and favorite fighters.

Personally, when I watched the fight the first time I had it 116-112 for Pacquiao. When I rewatched it by myself the next morning I scored it 115-113 for MArquez. Very VERY hard fight to score. My overall view from the fight watching it a again a few times is that MArquez controlled the pace, and overall won most of the exchanges as well as landed the cleaner, more effective combos. That being said, there were some close rounds where both guys had their moments, and I think that's where Pac was able to score a few rounds. I feel he simply outworked Marquez in those moments, especially in the later rounds. Generally, I feel that te first few rounds were close, Marquez won the middle rounds, and Pac eeked out some of the later rounds. So really, as people have said, it's just based off of what you look for. From what I saw, it seems to me like Marquez was able to win most of the exchanges, land cleaner combos, and really controlled most of the fight, which I think is where he may have won it. Very close and competitive fight, I can't complain with either winner. But to be honest, as a guy who thought Marquez won the last two, I was hoping he'd take this one. Regardless, great fight.

As for people calling Manny a hype job. If anyone's seen the last two fights you know how well these two match up. Most of us didn't think Marquez would do too well because of the weight, but he proved Saturday night that he can hang at Welterweight, so why not? I'm not convinced that Manny's any less the fighter he was prior to this fight. Styles make fights, you lose some you win some. You look good in some you look like **** in others, this is Boxing, anything can happen on any given night. Do I think he'll beat Mayweather if the fight? Nope, I think Mayweather wins a decision ins a highly competitive fight, but to completely count out Pac now is ridiculous.

[Khalid X]

pac fan circle jerk...smh...this is what u guys have been relegated to??

btw i scored it a draw. just like i scored the other 2 fights. face it, jmm is pacs equal in the ring.

The man gave a detailed breakdown of the fight, so why don't you argue against his points?

All I've seen from you is nothing but trolling, which makes me question your overall knowledge of the sport.

[andotsky]

nice **** bro...i had it pretty much the same except i had 8 as a draw and 11 to marquez...116-113 pacquiao.