Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: After Floyd KO's Pacquiao, 'Marquez 4' Still There

[Johnwoo8686]

This past week has shown the public what has really been going on these past few years. It's obvious who doesn't want the fight and it's obvious why they don't want the fight. Pacquiao is Arum's most prized asset. Manny Pacquiao isn't just a boxer he's a franchise and Arum wants to keep that franchise as lucrative as possible for as long as he can.

What does that mean? That means they are going to handpick opponents for Pacquiao as carefully as they have been these past few years to make sure he keeps bringing in that money because Saturday was a handpick that backfired. They know that if the Floyd fight happens in May that Floyd will almost undoubtedly win so they are going to duck a fight with him in favor for an even older Juan Manuel Marquez. What these idiots don't realize is that public has become more sympathetic to Marquez so if we see a replay of what happened Saturday night Marquez will surely get the nod.

[D4thincarnation]

Then keep waiting. You saw the report so if you want to pretend its ok.

Originally Posted by D4thincarnation
Pacquiao has done the honourable thing, and offered Marquez an rematch,

That you had to post the above makes my year. Funny, manny sure wasn't honorable after closer fights with JMM. Made him wait a long time. Why is manny so honorable all the sudden?

WHat does being 4-0 agaisnt JMM do for the legacy?

Manny offered Marquez a quick rematch after there first fight Marquez declined.

After the 2nd fight Pacquiao was always moving up win lose or draw, was getting too big for superfeather.

This year is the first time Marquez vs Pacquiao 3 could have been made.



And I saw no such report.

Floyd knows that if he fights in Feb then he can't fight Pacquiao.

Very convenient.

[Boxingtech718v2]

This past week has shown the public what has really been going on these past few years. It's obvious who doesn't want the fight and it's obvious why they don't want the fight. Pacquiao is Arum's most prized asset. Manny Pacquiao isn't just a boxer he's a franchise and Arum wants to keep that franchise as lucrative as possible for as long as he can.

What does that mean? That means they are going to handpick opponents for Pacquiao as carefully as they have been these past few years to make sure he keeps bringing in that money because Saturday was a handpick that backfired. They know that if the Floyd fight happens in May that Floyd will almost undoubtedly win so they are going to duck a fight with him in favor for an even older Juan Manuel Marquez. What these idiots don't realize is that public has become more sympathetic to Marquez so if we see a replay of what happened Saturday night Marquez will surely get the nod.

Naw dog they will rob Marquez again trust if it goes to the judges they will rob him again.
Marquez shouldn't fight Manny again for him to win he has to basically knockdown pac once in every round. Just not meant to happen as long as pac has Arum in his corner.

[D4thincarnation]

This past week has shown the public what has really been going on these past few years. It's obvious who doesn't want the fight and it's obvious why they don't want the fight. Pacquiao is Arum's most prized asset. Manny Pacquiao isn't just a boxer he's a franchise and Arum wants to keep that franchise as lucrative as possible for as long as he can.

What does that mean? That means they are going to handpick opponents for Pacquiao as carefully as they have been these past few years to make sure he keeps bringing in that money because Saturday was a handpick that backfired. They know that if the Floyd fight happens in May that Floyd will almost undoubtedly win so they are going to duck a fight with him in favor for an even older Juan Manuel Marquez. What these idiots don't realize is that public has become more sympathetic to Marquez so if we see a replay of what happened Saturday night Marquez will surely get the nod.

Two rounds of negotiations.

First time. Floyd asked for blood test (first time ever) they could not agree, fight fell apart.

Second time, Manny agrees to Floyd's previous demands and more, Floyd says he wants to take a year or two out of boxing.



On both occasions Floyd put up the road blocks.

FACT

[The Big Dunn]

Yeah Dunn, but don't forget, FWIW, coupla weeks before JMM-Pac fight, Floyd said he's fighting in Feb, with that after saying May 5 for that li'l fella.

IDGAS about Bob Arum, I'm sold that he's the one holding up the fight.

What I notice right now is Pac ain't the same anymore, MENTALLY.

In fact, I was pleased of the outcome last Saturday (where fans get to boo him, but mostly mexicans), 'coz it's a wake-up call for Pac to relive his usual self, no pressure, no expectations, no excuses, always the underdog.

You like boxing. This was a great fight Saturday. Best part, it sets fans up for 3 HUGE fights in 2012.

Floyd v. manny
Manny JMM 4
Floyd/sergio (if he beats manny) or floyd/khan (if he loses)

It would be 4 if the cotto/marg winner fights Sergio.

But Manny is not making Bob do the right thing. Hopefully, Herschman does.

[Boxingtech718v2]

Two rounds of negotiations.
First time. Floyd asked for blood test (first time ever) they could not agree, fight fell apart.
Second time, Manny agrees to Floyd's previous demands and more, Floyd says he wants to take a year or two out of boxing.
On both occasions Floyd put up the road blocks.
FALSE

Pac: 10 million per pound, Ring size, Glove size, Catchweight request, 50/50 request, Ducking OST, scared of needles, drawing blood makes manny weak, pac is superstitious, Now says We don't want to fight Mayweather. What more do we have to hear from team pac to get the picture.

[D4thincarnation]

You like boxing. This was a great fight Saturday. Best part, it sets fans up for 3 HUGE fights in 2012.

Floyd v. manny
Manny JMM 4
Floyd/sergio (if he beats manny) or floyd/khan (if he loses)

It would be 4 if the cotto/marg winner fights Sergio.

But Manny is not making Bob do the right thing. Hopefully, Herschman does.

I think next year is going to be a huge disappointment to you.

[Johnwoo8686]

Two rounds of negotiations.

First time. Floyd asked for blood test (first time ever) they could not agree, fight fell apart.

Second time, Manny agrees to Floyd's previous demands and more, Floyd says he wants to take a year or two out of boxing.



On both occasions Floyd put up the road blocks.

FACT

Dude if Manny actually agreed to the blood test the second time why didn't he agree the first time? If you look at it that way it's Pacquiao's fault the fight fell apart the first time because he could have agreed back then.
Secondly, the Pacquiao camp made multiple demands of Floyd such as the 10 million dollar per pound penalty, the smaller ring, and the smaller gloves. Floyd agreed to all those things and simply asked Manny to have random blood testing to which Manny refused.

So each guy made demands. One guy agrees to the others demands and the other doesn't agree so its the first guys fault that fight didn't happen? It's Ok for Manny Pacquiao to ask for catchweights and penalties yet Floyd can't ask for a blood test? You guys show your bias every time you post.

[The Big Dunn]

Manny offered Marquez a quick rematch after there first fight Marquez declined.

After the 2nd fight Pacquiao was always moving up win lose or draw, was getting too big for superfeather.

This year is the first time Marquez vs Pacquiao 3 could have been made.



And I saw no such report.

Floyd knows that if he fights in Feb then he can't fight Pacquiao.

Very convenient.

Top rank offered JMM a figure they know he would turn down.

SO when manny was a JWW there was no time to fight the LW champion. But there was time after fighting for the JMW championship?

I believe you are lying about not seeing it, especially since its been discussed on this board.

[D4thincarnation]

Pac: 10 million per pound, Ring size, Glove size, Catchweight request, 50/50 request, Ducking OST, scared of needles, drawing blood makes manny weak, pac is superstitious, Now says We don't want to fight Mayweather. What more do we have to hear from team pac to get the picture.

10 million per pound: Floyd's has previous of purposely breaking an weight agreement.

Ring size: Both happy

Glove size: Both happy

Catchweight request: Non was made

50/50 request: Why not?

Ducking OST: What OSTs, Floyd's demands, Road Block.

scared of needles: Manny never said this.

drawing blood makes manny weak: It happens some people have a bad reaction to having blood taken.

Now says We don't want to fight Mayweather: Pacquiao said after the fight Lets make it happen.