Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: After Floyd KO's Pacquiao, 'Marquez 4' Still There

[jtiger777]

10 million per pound: Floyd's has previous of purposely breaking an weight agreement.

Ring size: Both happy

glove size: Both happy

catchweight request: Non was made

50/50 request: Why not?

Ducking ost: What osts, floyd's demands, road block.

Scared of needles: Manny never said this.

Drawing blood makes manny weak: It happens some people have a bad reaction to having blood taken.

Now says we don't want to fight mayweather: Pacquiao said after the fight lets make it happen.

manny came in overweight on an agreed weight b4 also, and he was penalized, i have the link if u want it. Its wierd manny and his team says let the commission do their job yet the commission has set rules for a fighter who comes in over weight yet pac made his own demand of 10mil per pound over (which is perfectly okay if thats what he wants to demand). So it makes no sense to tell them to do their job in one sense yet u still have your own demand outside of their rules.

How is the testing a road block if both fighters have to do it, if its a road block then pac and his team should simply say they are not interested in the fight because of the test and end it all, yet they go back n forth on the issue which equals endless debates and threads... The only road block is truly arum...

Someone in mannys team did say that he was scared of needles, wtf is up with that?

How can a boxer who bleeds during a fight but yet gets stronger be weakend by a t-spoon of blood, but im not him so i cant say hes lying but thats just a question i have!

Bottom line: Both fighters excercised thier rights to make demands, there is no rule on what you can and cannot demand... Anyone can make the argument that the testing is an outlandish demand but thats all opinion based, the fact is he demanded it and pac demanded what he demanded so be it... If one wants to fight the other either he submitts to the demands or he says hes not interested... Its pretty simple...

[Ringlife]

This is the first time this guy makes sense.

[Boxingtech718v2]

manny came in overweight on an agreed weight b4 also, and he was penalized, i have the link if u want it. Its wierd manny and his team says let the commission do their job yet the commission has set rules for a fighter who comes in over weight yet pac made his own demand of 10mil per pound over (which is perfectly okay if thats what he wants to demand). So it makes no sense to tell them to do their job in one sense yet u still have your own demand outside of their rules.

How is the testing a road block if both fighters have to do it, if its a road block then pac and his team should simply say they are not interested in the fight because of the test and end it all, yet they go back n forth on the issue which equals endless debates and threads... The only road block is truly arum...

Someone in mannys team did say that he was scared of needles, wtf is up with that?

How can a boxer who bleeds during a fight but yet gets stronger be weakend by a t-spoon of blood, but im not him so i cant say hes lying but thats just a question i have!

Bottom line: Both fighters excercised thier rights to make demands, there is no rule on what you can and cannot demand... Anyone can make the argument that the testing is an outlandish demand but thats all opinion based, the fact is he demanded it and pac demanded what he demanded so be it... If one wants to fight the other either he submitts to the demands or he says hes not interested... Its pretty simple...

Great post, exactly what I was trying to break down for him. But I didn't feel like typing all that info lol.

[WESS]

Yeah Dunn, but don't forget, FWIW, coupla weeks before JMM-Pac fight, Floyd said he's fighting in Feb, with that after saying May 5 for that li'l fella.

IDGAS about Bob Arum, I'm sold that he's the one holding up the fight.

What I notice right now is Pac ain't the same anymore, MENTALLY.

In fact, I was pleased of the outcome last Saturday (where fans get to boo him, but mostly mexicans), 'coz it's a wake-up call for Pac to relive his usual self, no pressure, no expectations, no excuses, always the underdog.

Which is what many have said about Hatton, Cotto and Margarito. Washed up exposed fighters that have never been mentally the same since being KOed for the first time. Pac wasn't even KO'ed just outclassed by an old underdog.

At least you understand how over rated Pac is now, as most do and give him VERY VERY VERY little of a chance to even compete on Mayweather's level who Pac should be fighting next since he did in fact win this past weekend. At the end of the day, Pac is exciting to watch but please don't get that confused with anything else that is hyped because the media likes his mr. nice guy smile.

We all witnessed what happens yet again when he fights a great fighter. Diaz, Hoya, Cotto, Clottey, Margartio and Mosley where NOT great fighters when Pac cherry picked them. Morales, JMM and MAB days where the great old days for Pac. Since 2008, he has become an overly hyped fighter designed from Mayweather's shadow to give the perception that he is the man to beat Floyd.

Yet he can't even convince everyone he beat JMM after 3 fights at 3 different weight classes over a span of 7 years. This all just goes to show you how **** his opposition has been since 2008. But hey, glad you understand how Pac's been fighting mentally damaged fighters to make him seem better than he really is. Reality has set in and everyone knows. The truth is out. Pac better man up and take May 5th and fight Floyd Mayweather, the JMM fight will be there after May.

[Mr. Invincible]

10 million per pound: Floyd's has previous of purposely breaking an weight agreement.

Ring size: Both happy

Glove size: Both happy

Catchweight request: Non was made

50/50 request: Why not?

Ducking OST: What OSTs, Floyd's demands, Road Block.

scared of needles: Manny never said this.

drawing blood makes manny weak: It happens some people have a bad reaction to having blood taken.

Now says We don't want to fight Mayweather: Pacquiao said after the fight Lets make it happen.

The ball is in Pacs court now. If the fight doesn't happen, It will be his sides fault. As much as I hate Mayweather, he is making it clear publically that they want this fight and are trying to get it done. (albeit after he saw that Pac was vulnerable to his style)

I'm gona laugh if Pac played with Marquez to lure Floyd into a fight.

[D4thincarnation]

I've disagreed with you alot but always thought you liked boxing more than you did Manny Pacquio. I clearly was wrong. Enjoy manny/jmm 4. Lets hope manny stays honorable and doesn't cheat on his wife anymore.

It should be a great fight.

Do you think JMM deserves a rematch?

[The Big Dunn]

Which is what many have said about Hatton, Cotto and Margarito. Washed up exposed fighters that have never been mentally the same since being KOed for the first time. Pac wasn't even KO'ed just outclassed by an old underdog.

At least you understand how over rated Pac is now, as most do and give him VERY VERY VERY little of a chance to even compete on Mayweather's level who Pac should be fighting next since he did in fact win this past weekend. At the end of the day, Pac is exciting to watch but please don't get that confused with anything else that is hyped because the media likes his mr. nice guy smile.

We all witnessed what happens yet again when he fights a great fighter. Diaz, Hoya, Cotto, Clottey, Margartio and Mosley where NOT great fighters when Pac cherry picked them. Morales, JMM and MAB days where the great old days for Pac. Since 2008, he has become an overly hyped fighter designed from Mayweather's shadow to give the perception that he is the man to beat Floyd.

Yet he can't even convince everyone he beat JMM after 3 fights at 3 different weight classes over a span of 7 years. This all just goes to show you how **** his opposition has been since 2008. But hey, glad you understand how Pac's been fighting mentally damaged fighters to make him seem better than he really is. Reality has set in and everyone knows. The truth is out. Pac better man up and take May 5th and fight Floyd Mayweather, the JMM fight will be there after May.

Manny and his opposition have been overated because media and fans hate Floyd Mayweather's persona. If floyd had been humble and respectful, he'd have less money, and no one would be clamoring for him to fight manny.

[The Big Dunn]

It should be a great fight.

Do you think JMM deserves a rematch?

No. Manny is up 3-0. How does 3-1 or 4-0 change anything?

[WESS]

Manny offered Marquez a quick rematch after there first fight Marquez declined.
After the 2nd fight Pacquiao was always moving up win lose or draw, was getting too big for superfeather.

This year is the first time Marquez vs Pacquiao 3 could have been made.


And I saw no such report.

Floyd knows that if he fights in Feb then he can't fight Pacquiao.

Very convenient.

.....and most everyone is hoping JMM prices himself out to force Pac to move on like in the past. It would make a huge statement if JMM prices himself out, yet Pac STILL takes the fight.

I guess you didn't read what Mayweather actually said. Floyd reported that he would love to return in February if Possible. Meaning if Pac ducks him, he just might fight in Feb.
If Pac wants the fight, Floyd will fight in May which is why he already set a date and venue. Come on you guys, give it up already the truth is out.

Like I have said for over 2 years, Bob is the one to make or break this fight, when he is ready he WILL make the fight. You guys are giving Floyd too much credit if you think he could stop Bob from doing his job. lol It's just silly. Bob knows the deal, and he's never been ready to feed his cash cow to a fighter like Mayweather. At least you guys now understand why.

[D4thincarnation]

manny came in overweight on an agreed weight b4 also, and he was penalized, i have the link if u want it. Its wierd manny and his team says let the commission do their job yet the commission has set rules for a fighter who comes in over weight yet pac made his own demand of 10mil per pound over (which is perfectly okay if thats what he wants to demand). So it makes no sense to tell them to do their job in one sense yet u still have your own demand outside of their rules.

How is the testing a road block if both fighters have to do it, if its a road block then pac and his team should simply say they are not interested in the fight because of the test and end it all, yet they go back n forth on the issue which equals endless debates and threads... The only road block is truly arum...

Someone in mannys team did say that he was scared of needles, wtf is up with that?

How can a boxer who bleeds during a fight but yet gets stronger be weakend by a t-spoon of blood, but im not him so i cant say hes lying but thats just a question i have!

Bottom line: Both fighters excercised thier rights to make demands, there is no rule on what you can and cannot demand... Anyone can make the argument that the testing is an outlandish demand but thats all opinion based, the fact is he demanded it and pac demanded what he demanded so be it... If one wants to fight the other either he submitts to the demands or he says hes not interested... Its pretty simple...

Manny struggled to make weight and had to wear big glove as a further penalty.

Floyd purposefully came in over.

Commission do have fines but in fights where the purses are so much these fines are insignificant.

If your job said there was a $10 fine for stealing computer, that might not seem like a strong enough deterrent to prevent this from happening.

Just like the commission fines, plus Floyd just broke a weight agreement.

Now if Floyd did come in over, Manny would be right to walk away, but because it is a big fight it would cost millions.

So thats why that stip was put it.

But all of that is irrelevant, Floyd accepted and everyone was happy.


Testing was a road block because Pacquiao was against it and Floyd wanted it.

Pacquiao accepted it in principal, but Floyd wanted more and more. Why did Floyd want this for this fight? And why did his demands change and why were they so strict regarding who carried out the testing.

Manny never said he was scared of needle, he does believe that it weakens him, and previously stated that. Maybe that's why Floyd asked for them.

When Manny has medical's they take blood and Manny takes the day of training. Roach also says it takes him a day or two to get to 100% again. This can be seen during the training camp for Hatton. Maybe Floyd seen this, well his dad definitely did.

Yes it was clear with Floyd moving the goal posts he was not interested in fighting Pacquiao.