Comments Thread For: Marquez: Ball is in My Court, 4th Pacquiao Fight in Mexico!

[Chuckguy]

Im really amazed at this reasoning. Damaging your opponents face isn't effective punching? making your opponent reset is the measure of effective punching? really? haha. pacquiao didnt reset margarito everytime he hit him but the volume and quality of the punches that hit him busted up his face. i mean there really is no objective way to measure the force of a punch. you cant put a sensor on the guys face and measure pounds per square inch. you cant tell me that JMM landed the harder blows because pac's head got snapped back and pac resets. Effective punching is subjective. it really depends how the judges saw it. it's clearly post fight that marquez's face tells how effective manny's punches were. you cant tell me to disregard the damage on jmm's face because it matters dude. it shows someting weather you like it or not.

Ok let me school you son
Marquez had damage but he had the fresher face
he landed the more clean effective punches
he usually gets cut and didnt (that tells you that he wasnt hit as often)
Pac had a busted lip from a punch they showed it during the fight
the cut was a headbutt
he had a baffled defeated look since round 3 and his own trainer the great Freddy Roach didnt have him winning during the fight and didnt know what to tell him.
Pac got outboxed, outsmarted and roach got out coached plain and simple
just accept it

[jobz199]

Those punchstats were so inaccurate. it might even have been rigged. It was all a big conspiracy.

download two different copies of the fight and and count the punches yourself. i think punchstats are much more objective than the other vague criteria like ring generalship, defense, effective aggression. how the hell are you gonna objectively measure those?

[Oxn]

You don't see the irony in it?

It would be classic if JMM demanded it, that's all i'm saying. Besides, it's not an issue, right? I can easily see JMM asking just because of the BS team pac gave him about his new strength and condoning coach.

I hope JMM prices himself out. I hope JMM demands everything that forces Bob to decline... The ONLY option at that point is Mayweather. The fight everyone wants to see.

If Pac gets his ass whooped again by JMM, nobody will want to see it.

Link me to 1 article that says team pac gave JMM a hard time about his S&C coach?

It was all COnte and the media. I heard nothing from Team Pac about it at all, except when Ariza said he could less.

[El Ceja]

It will go like this


2. Fight isn't happening in Mexico. Mexico isn't in position to host a mega-fight.....period.

FYI...Mexico Just hosted the Under17 World Cup and the Pan American games! So yes Mexico is ready for a Mega fight!

[spoonwars]

Saying for the fight to be in Mexico means he doesn't want the fight. The best you're gonna get is Cowboys Stadium.

[#CaneloKhan]

bruising and swelling an opponents face is NOT EFFECTIVE PUNCHING?? right. haha

apart of Effective punching is the impact a punch has but is only a part of effective punching.

How to score effective punching


What cause did the punch have on your opponent? Cuts, Wobbled/hurt, KD, Forced Reset?
Did the punch control/dictate the tempo of the fight?


If the punch did not cause one you move on the the next critriea.


For example in the margarito fight Pacquaio could not cause Margarito to reset, So reset if nullified, you move on to the next criteria. He caused A cut/broken oribital bone so he score cuts, he wobbled/hurt Margarito so he scored wobbled/hurt. He did not score a KD so he gets 2 out of the 4. Cuts and Wobbled/hurt.


Now you move on to did the punch dictate the fight? In this case against Margarito its yes.


so Pacquaio gets 3 out of the 5 , cuts, tempo, wobbled/hurt.




Now in the marquez fight. Marquez scored reset, and tempo. Pacquaio scored nothing out of the criteria. So marquez wins effective punching overall.


Remember Fights are scored round by round by criteria then added up

[Khalid X]

You don't see the irony in it?

It would be classic if JMM demanded it, that's all i'm saying. Besides, it's not an issue, right? I can easily see JMM asking just because of the BS team pac gave him about his new strength and condoning coach.

I hope JMM prices himself out. I hope JMM demands everything that forces Bob to decline... The ONLY option at that point is Mayweather. The fight everyone wants to see.

If Pac gets his ass whooped again by JMM, nobody will want to see it.

Let's be honest for a second. First, your only stating this because you want to see Pac vs May, which is understandable. Second, let's say JMM does this......where exactly does he go from here career wise? Back to 135 against a nobody, especially after all that weight gain (see Roy post Ruiz)?

Who else can he fight to bring him the money a 4th fight would as well as enhance his legacy?

[jobz199]

Ok let me school you son
Marquez had damage but he had the fresher face
he landed the more clean effective punches
he usually gets cut and didnt (that tells you that he wasnt hit as often)
Pac had a busted lip from a punch they showed it during the fight
the cut was a headbutt
he had a baffled defeated look since round 3 and his own trainer the great Freddy Roach didnt have him winning during the fight and didnt know what to tell him.
Pac got outboxed, outsmarted and roach got out coached plain and simple
just accept it

fresher?? what does that even mean dude? hehe.still very subjective. and landed the more clear effective punches? punchstats tell otherwise. try to find a picture post fight of both fighters and tell me who has a cleaner face. aside from the busted lip manny's face looks fine. JMM's face is swollen up bad and multiple quality punches are needed to produce that kind of face. i know damage is subjective but it is really suggestive of the effectiveness of the punches. swollen faces nd lumps dont appear magically. they come from QUALITY EFFECTIVE PUNCHING.

[Khalid X]

FYI...Mexico Just hosted the Under17 World Cup and the Pan American games! So yes Mexico is ready for a Mega fight!

I truly hope so. A mega fight in down there would be great, but I just don't see it.

There is a difference between an amatuer boxing event, or even an Alvarez/Chavez Jr. fight, compare to a mega fight in Pacquiao vs Marquez 4.

[boxingfan76]

pac got his ass kicked plain and simple and those compubox numbers are absurd,in leu of the ridiculous decision who'd beleive them???,and even if they are to be believed none of pacs landed shots were at all effective,pac really couldnt even touch marquez,he got his ass kicked plain and simple.the truth is pac captured peoples imagination and the hype machine overtook reality,until sat.marquez won clearly landed the way harder and damaging shots and won the most rounds,all the effective aggression talk is coming from idiots with a sore asswhole.the only thing pac effectivley aggressed was jmms fists with his face lol.....and yes make the fight in mexico with judges from other countries no american judges for sure theyre so obsessed with a mayweather fight and this asian little boy fetish that they simply cannot be trusted to do the right thing.hbo just got clowned too way to go Jmm yove proven to be an alltime great and a better fighter than pacman.