Comments Thread For: Hopkins' Trainer: Marquez, a Better Fighter Than Pacquiao

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what trainer...another BS artist changes opinion after the fight, you phony...

True. ****m Richardson was riding Pac's nuts hard for a long time and now he wants to act like he knows something. I been saying Pac wasn't all that for YEARS and people on here persecuted me for it when I called the fights wrong. At one point we were all fooled by Pac's fights. I knew JMM would not be an easy fight even after Floyd dusted him off. Look at the Katsidis fight to see some real skills being displayed. Alot of posters on here don't know squat but rather just was riding the hype train and was on it when it got derailed.

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This is how a fan of the sport is supposed to analyze......

Old 10-10-2011, 08:06 AM #20

All JMM has to do is be patience and wait for Pac to open up. Pac strengths are from his opponents rushing him and leaving themselves open. If JMM doesn't get over anxious and fights a smart technical fight then we have another tough fight.

10-10-2011, 10:26 AM #98

Listen, while Pac may win this fight because of him being comfortable because of the weight. By no means will he school or destroy JMM. JMM has a nightmarish style for Manny Pacquiao and Pac ain't known for being a 1 punch KO artist, so don't know what people are talking about him KO'n JMM in 6 rounds when he could not do it at his best weight in 24rds with 4 kd's. I'm taking the loss to Floyd at 144 with a grain of salt because Floyd is a different kind of fighter/boxer. JMM could not properly touch Floyd because of his size, reach and defense while Pac doesn't have any of them advantages over Juan Manuel Marquez. On top of that. Pac hasn't been fighting the toughest most competitive challenges in the division(s) so lets give Juan Manuel Marquez some credit for being the only fighter to make Pac have to go all out.

It's not size but skill and while Pac may be stronger at that weight, I think skill is what gets you through a fight and frankly JMM is a better boxer technically than Pac when he fights his fight and not Pac's. I know most are crying foul with this fight but I'm going to give JMM the benefit of the doubt because of his skill set and ability to make Manny have to fight. I'm actually looking forward to this match because am curious to see how it transpires.

Old 10-09-2011, 08:33 PM #40

Manny can be and probably is stronger than JMM at this weight but how can you base that he will annihilate JMM when all Manny has been fighting are guys slower than him with no defense or real boxing technicality? Also, basing PAc will flatten JMM over the fact that Floyd made JMM look useless at 144 is not good enough proof because JMM fought Floyd and no one looks good against Mayweather. May have moments but eventually gets shut down. I think if JMM hasn't been KO already then he won't be if he fights Manny smart instead of letting his nuts hang. Manny may indeed win but I'm not going to say he destroys JMM considering styles make fights and JMM has always had a style to bother Pacquiao.

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Klitschko vs Donaire??WTF

How is that even slightly confusing ?

You guys do know what P4P actually means right ?

If Klitschko fought Donaire, he would kill him, end of story.

Surely there is no argument so far ?

P4P is based on the latin phrase ceteris paribus, meaning, if all things were equal..... well, the "equal" in boxing, is size.

So, If Donaire was naturally 6'6"-250lbs..... he would beat Wlad in the morning, Vitali in the afternoon, and quickly arrange another fight for later that evening

Come on, you cannot compare Klitschko's skills with Donaire's.

The Klitschko's (who I like) outweigh most of their opponents by 30-40 lbs and are 4-5 inches taller.

Very few heavyweights rate as top P4P fighters.

C'mon, don't act like Manny is a giant compared to Marquez, they are about the same size, Marquez has a longer reach and Manny never was, isn't a WW, he weighed 143 and probably can make 140 easy.

FACT: Marquez is (now) a lightweight.

Unless you think that he was killing himself to make 126 for his entire prime, and then continued to kill himself to make lightweight..... even though he looked like a midget in the Diaz/Casa fights, and only started to looking like a natural LW for the Katsidis fight ?

Size does not determine your most comfortable fighting weight.

In saying that, I cant believe how good Marquez looked, maybe he does have a future at 140?

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In the post above, I meant to say height, not size.

Height does not determine your most comfortable fighting weight.

Ask Paul Williams.

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The talk of the boxing world is still revolved around this weekend’s third clash between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. Inside of a shocked crowd at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada, Marquez, a huge underdog heading in, would defy the odds with a spirited and game effort that many felt should have led him towards victory despite the majority-decision verdict that went against him.



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Yet again, Brother Naz is 100% right.

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naazim may be out of his mind...aggressiveness is pacman's signature ever since...he knew that well...if he is that good trainer, why don't he train mosley to counter pac's aggressiveness as marquez did? why did mosley chickened out and lost to pacman? was he only after he paycheck?

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naazim may be out of his mind...aggressiveness is pacman's signature ever since...he knew that well...if he is that good trainer, why don't he train mosley to counter pac's aggressiveness as marquez did? why did mosley chickened out and lost to pacman? was he only after he paycheck?

Good questions. ****m laid out a plan but Mosley couldn't deliver because he was shook or enveloped. Shane should be ashamed of himself after what Marquez did to Pac moving up. Looked like ****m and Shane were just there for the checks.

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It does apply and you know it.

I don't care about the third fight. I was talking about the whole trilogy.

And yes, Manny Pac has more haters than fans in the afro american community.

It does not apply. The reason a black boxing fan may dislike Pacman is because of how the media & the average uneducated casual fan disprespect Floyd while praising Pacman for the same thing. I personally have not found a black poster on boxing scene that does not like Donaire.

If Floyd was given a fair shake concerning Pacman, maybe more people wouldn't be defensive. Look at Floyd -Mosley, then Pacman-Mosley & Floyd-Marquez & Pacman-Marquez 3. If you don't see the ******* double standards then your simply a fool, real talk.

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I think that Marquez would have KTFO the cracked-egg version of Hatton that Pac fought..... I know that Marquez would have KTFO the Diaz that Pac fought..... I am absolutely positive that Marquez would have KTFO the old shrink-wrapped Hoya that Pac fought..... and dude, just fkn stop it, the guys I just mentioned were NO CHALLENGE AT ALL for Pac, and would have been beaten by most of the top guys in the division that they fought in.

The well-faded, shop-worn, no-stamina, 145lb version of Cotto ?

Yep, Marquez would have beaten him as well, by unanimous decision, although I can see Cotto providing different problems for Marquez in that fight..... and Margarito? The fact that you even mentioned him shows where you are at.

I have a question for you......

How the *** could Margarito possibly beat Marquez ?

Serious question..... HOW ?

Come on

Spot on. Marquez would beat the 145 version of Cotto, handily.

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Richardson also forgot to mention that JMM is way better than BHOP because JMM doesnt roll around on the canvas crying like a little BI TCH.

Maybe we should wait until Marquez is nearly 50 before we jump to that conclusion?