Where does Pacquiao rank on your personal P4P list now?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I always have, but only a little. That's still a different fight. Some peeps will look at the performances versus Marquez and draw the wrong conclusions (triangle theories). I thought May would beat JMM easy and he did. I thought Pac would finally catch up to JMM and he couldn't; those two are just that close (I had Pac ahead 15-13 last night but understand the opposite). Marquez had to lead against May and that's not his gig. The most hurt May has ever been was Corley and Pac has a lot of similar attributes (speed, awkward right, shorter, closes gaps quick).

We need to see it.

I dont know Cliff. With all due respect I think most fans have seen enough.


Even Mosleys half ******ed attempt at boxing frustrated Pac and he was timid and fought scared last night because of Marquez's right hand and counter punching ability.

Its not looking good for Pac. And thats not really a triangle theory. Its just a style clash that Pac would have no answers for.

Marquez isnt nearly as fast, sharp, accurate, smart and as explosive as Mayweather is. Not to mention hes wayyyyyyy harder to land clean on than Marquez is and I just cant see Pac winning outside of some lucky haymaker.

Hell on top of that Marquez's jab game was killing him. I could only imagine how Floyd would use the jab. The ropes. How Fliyd would fight him on the inside, etc

Pac has only a punchers chance imo. Ive been saying that for years now.

[UnDeniable]

No ceilings in En Fuego today

[crold1]

I dont know Cliff. With all due respect I think most fans have seen enough.


Even Mosleys half ******ed attempt at boxing frustrated Pac and he was timid and fought scared last night because of Marquez's right hand and counter punching ability.

Its not looking good for Pac. And thats not really a triangle theory. Its just a style clash that Pac would have no answers for.

Marquez isnt nearly as fast, sharp, accurate, smart and as explosive as Mayweather is. Not to mention hes wayyyyyyy harder to land clean on than Marquez is and I just cant see Pac winning outside of some lucky haymaker.

Hell on top of that Marquez's jab game was killing him. I could only imagine how Floyd would use the jab. The ropes. How Fliyd would fight him on the inside, etc

Pac has only a punchers chance imo. Ive been saying that for years now.

I think you're confusing most fans with the handful of super devoted message board type cats. Most fans will move on and debate hot if when the big one gets signed. This will be ONE mutual opponent to debate about.

I think most fans though Evander Holyfield would get killed by Tyson, Morales had no chance versus Pac before their first fight, and that Bernard Hopkins was going to lose to Kelly Pavlik.

Marquez fights nothing like Mayweather; he's the bigger twin of Ricardo Lopez. I think I'll wait to see it, probably pick Mayweather to win in a good fight, but reserve judgement for now.

[hugh grant]

You don't think Pacquiao should drop because he struggled with a 38 year old Lightweight?

he had time to acclimatize to the weight unlike when he fought FLoyd.
But why should Pac drop when he beats a great like JMM and beating him 3 times now? He has been dominant in so many of his recent fights so isnt he allowed a bad performance against someone as great as JMM?
Its not like it was a bad performance against someone like Barker like Sergio fought!

[crold1]

he had time to acclimatize to the weight unlike when he fought FLoyd.
But why should Pac drop when he beats a great like JMM and beating him 3 times now? He has been dominant in so many of his recent fights so isnt he allowed a bad performance against someone as great as JMM?
Its not like it was a bad performance against someone like Barker like Sergio fought!

Weight was no issue. These two just make great fights together as long as they're both in shape, sort of like how Hearns proved he was still hell on Leonard at 168 (minus a few on catch).

[gratz_the_king]

quackuiao doesnt even rank in my top 10...beating over the hill bums coming off losses, and getting schooled by technical boxers while ducking mayweather, raheem and other technicians doesnt warrant a spot in my top 10

1. mayweather
2. martinez
3. marquez
4. donaire
5. wlad klitschko
6. andre ward
7. carl froch
8. lucian bute
9. khan
10. hopkins
11. bradley
12. gamboa
13. ortiz
14. berto
15. dawson/maidana

[GG Magic]

1. Mayweather
2. Marquez
3. Pacquiao

Marquez overtakes Pacquiao after his clear victory last night

[antrob]

1. Mayweather
2. Marquez
3. Pacquiao

Marquez overtakes Pacquiao after his clear victory last night

I almost put Marquez over Pacquiao to but I gave Pac the benefit of the judges.

[thatnickuh]

I always have, but only a little. That's still a different fight. Some peeps will look at the performances versus Marquez and draw the wrong conclusions (triangle theories). I thought May would beat JMM easy and he did. I thought Pac would finally catch up to JMM and he couldn't; those two are just that close (I had Pac ahead 15-13 last night but understand the opposite). Marquez had to lead against May and that's not his gig. The most hurt May has ever been was Corley and Pac has a lot of similar attributes (speed, awkward right, shorter, closes gaps quick).

We need to see it.

Didn't Corley get his tail whipped?

[crold1]

Didn't Corley get his tail whipped?

Yes; the implication is that Pac is eons better than Corley and Corley gave Mayweather one of his better fights, hurting him in the 3rd and 4th rounds before May took over. Just saying there are still lots of reasons to want to see Pac-May.