Pacquiao/Marquez Post Fight Discussion- Please re-vote in the poll. .

[rapidtracer.com]

Pacquiao looks convinced about your scoring of the fight clearly....

But to answer your question I do think team pacquiao do talk too much about their gameplans publicly previously to fights and I think they've gotten away with it because they have been fighting top rank bums for a while now... and it didnt matter if a non game shane mosley who sold his soul to bob arum to get money to settle his divorce/a inactive slow antonio margarito... or a paid off joshua clottey who never tried to win and implied in a video later on after the fight that it was fixed... knew what manny was gonna do or not. (I give pacquiao credit for the cotto and hatton wins but nothing after that)

Im really not here to argue. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you think that Marquez was a clear win well I can't do anything about that.

PS. Pacquiao under estimate his opponent and he was not happy. You also can't judge the game by someone expression.

[Pacman Rahman]

Its true. They reveal too much on 24 7 and you'd think they would keep quite about major stuff such as the game plan and sparring partner roles. Be like floyd and restrict some of the strategies and plans. Then again i guess its too late now.

[Warbeast]

my 5 cents...

happened a few to many times to be just an accident.

and if it does happen often then how come i never saw pac

stepping on his foot to hold him in place all throughout the match?

[AssasinKing]

HAHAHAA!!!

And what do the fans say?

What do boxing writers say?

What do pro boxers say?

What do boxing trainers say?

What do Manny's friends and sparring partners say?

LIKE I SAID MARQUEZ WON!

Stop chewing Manny's testicles!!!!!!

I dont get why everyone is making a big deal outa khans statements....

The truth is...if he was such a good friend of manny's....he wouldnt be saying that... I mean POSSIBLY he mite have said he scored the fight for marquez....but no way would he be saying the things he apparently has said...il wait till he comfirms the statement on tv or something tho....sometimes they write some bull**** things

[pvenditto88]

Think about it if pacquiao was fighting legitament threats/risky fights would they give away so much? Arum is milking the cash cow and pacquiao doesn't mind picking up 15 million to beat an african cab driver like joshua clottey clearly not in pacquiao's league and clearly didn't try to win the fight.

[salitap4p#1]

They've done this in all 24/7s (although less for the Oscar fight) as well just in normal interviews too. And they did pretty well against the opposition throughout then. I think it's just JMM's boxing brain backed up by the observance and guidance of Nacho.

[Boxingtech718v2]

Wouldn't matter what secrets they keep Pac would never out box JMM from a technical standpoint. They were counting on Pac being faster and stronger and it didn't happen. Could JMM got himself some "shakes" too?

[Pacquiao'd]

roachs ego is HUGE and he likes to show people how RIGHT he is when choosing his opponents and thats his problem. hes extremely arrogant and ****y thinking he knows everything with boxing styles when all he knows is how to pick opponents who car passed it after theyve taken a brutal beating while adding a catchweight.

well, they got exposed

[Team Vitaminas]

Chris Robinson, Las Vegas
November 14, 2011

On Monday morning, the talk from the boxing world still revolved around this weekend’s third clash between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. Inside of a shocked crowd at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada, Marquez, a huge underdog heading in, would defy the odds with a spirited and game effort that many felt should have led him towards victory despite the majority-decision verdict that went against him.
The next move for Pacquiao seems to be uncertain, as his promoter Bob Arum mentioned that a fourth fight with Marquez could be a possibility while the fight everyone wants from him is a dream fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. Who knows how everything will play out but for the moment Pacquiao has been taking some criticism from some boxing insiders who felt he didn’t do enough to beat Marquez and were surprised at his inability to mount a sustained attack on Saturday night.

One man with some interesting observations on the fight and its many subplots is esteemed trainer Naazim Richardson, known best for his work with Bernard Hopkins and Shane Mosley. Always one to speak with great insight, Richardson knows Pacquiao very well, having led Mosley into battle against him this past May in a result that saw him come up short after twelve frustrating rounds.

During our recent conversation, Richardson shared why he feels that Marquez is a better fighter than Pacquiao, the weaknesses that are easy to see in Manny, the bold proclamations coming from Pacquiao’s camp this time around, and much more.

This is what Naazim had to say…

Why Marquez is a better fighter than Pacquiao...
“I picked Marquez to win. Marquez is a better fighter than Pacquiao. He’s just not as strong. I thought Marquez won. I thought Marquez won the other fights. Marquez knows how to fight Pacquiao. Pacquiao’s not as good a fighter as Marquez. He’s just more explosive and Marquez is so aggressive at times that his aggression played against him in the other fights. When he started having success, what he normally does with everybody, he starts pressuring guys, and when he starts pressuring Pacquiao, Pacquiao gets the knockdown and the knockdowns make the difference."

I’d be su****ious too…
“But Marquez is a much more technically sound boxer than Pacquiao. Marquez, pound for pound, might be the best fighter in boxing from a technical standpoint. Nobody’s as talented as Floyd. And nobody’s as explosive as this kid Pacquiao. They called me a couple of weeks ago and asked me what I thought of Marquez-Pacquiao, and I said if Pacquiao blows Marquez out, I’d be su****ious. I would hold some su****ions if Pacquiao blows Marquez out. If he can beat Marquez easy, then in my eyebrows would raise to. It’s already proven that Marquez is a better fighter than Pacquiao.”

Another level of boxing…
“And I think that’s why they got so excited about pushing the issue of separating them in this fight, how the third fight would make the final decision, how they wanted to shut up Nacho Beristain’s mouth up, and I understand all that emotion coming out, because you got labeled the best fighter in boxing. But you have to know that this kid is better than him. Until they match up him and Mayweather, they aren’t going to let nobody beat Pacquiao unless they knock him out. Taking nothing away from Pacquiao, he’s a phenomenal fighter, and probably the most dangerous cat in the game, especially in any of those weights lower than Klitschko, but Marquez is another level of boxing. Marquez is Alexi Arguello, Marquez is Ricardo Lopez. He’s the little professor, Azumah Nelson.”

Keeping Pacquiao vs. Mayweather live…
“Like I said, Emanuel [Steward], being the commentator, he tries to stay in that position, but at heart as a coach and a competitor and even he had to admit that they still wanted a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. They want to keep that live. Who doesn’t make money in that? Reporters get to write. You guys are going to be writing all night long when Mayweather and Pacquiao get together. Vegas will make money. Casinos will sell. Even guys selling hotdogs and popcorn is going to make more money. Marquez and Mayweather is not going to draw that. Marquez and Pacquiao won’t draw that and Marquez had to keep that in mind. So, when they were starting to read the scores it didn’t surprise me. Because Mayweather is the only person in there allowed to beat Pacquiao by decision right about now.”

People will see it…
“People are not realizing something I said, when Shane fought Pacquiao. And I know they thought I looked crazy. They said ‘Naazim is out of his mind. What is he talking about?’. I said ‘You just showed somebody else how to beat him’. I was surprised dudes weren’t running at him. I told Shane, but I would never reveal it, because as far as I’m concerned you hired me, you paid me to give you that information. I won’t reveal that information to anybody else. But people will see it. Nobody’s ******. Nobody’s blind.”

Pacquiao’s defect…
“You can easily go back and watch Shane Mosley box Pacquiao and you see him get hurt and you wonder why he never gets hurt again. And if you just watch the fight and once you see that, every fighter is going to apply that method. Marquez did it in this fight and everybody else is going to do it. And once that’s revealed, eventually it’s just a matter of a timeline. It’s whether Freddie is going to make adjustments to the guy because it’s hard because the defect he has, he’s had since he’s been boxing. So for them to change it now, I even saw when they were trying to change it. So, like I said, I don’t underestimate anybody, so for me to sit here and think that the Mayweather and their high IQ of boxing that they have, they haven’t see in, would be ludicrous for me to think in that capacity.”

If you watch the fight…
“Ok, they said he fights with leg cramps. I don’t dispute it. But all I can say is, I watched the fight with my son and all these other people and all they kept going on was about how well Pacquiao was moving. ‘Look at the way he moves his legs, look at the way he moves his legs’. Then I heard the people saying ‘Well Pacquiao has a right hand now. He didn’t have a right hand before’. And if you watch the fight, I can’t remember the round, when Jim Lampley says it, immediately after he says it, Pacquiao does it. He said ‘Before all Pacquiao did was jab, jab, straight left hand’. And immediately after he says it, Pacquiao jabs, jabs, throws a straight left hand then jabs, jabs, and throws another straight left hand. I was concentrating on the development of the right arm, how it was so much more educated, and I watched for that. I saw him throw one right hook that I thought landed.”

Bringing God into an equation...
“You caught some of that 24/7 I’m sure. They were saying ‘Greatest camp ever’. ‘Greatest training ever’. Ariza said ‘God himself’ couldn’t help Marquez. That means they are better than God now. Ariza said God himself couldn’t help this dude. God himself? A statement like ‘God himself’, to me that’s not a big head, that’s something else. When you bring God into an equation, I understand you are trying to make a point, but what you do is, once you bring God into it, there’s no excuse. There’s nothing else. Now you have to think, are the leg cramps a Godsend? You know what I mean? Since you brought it up that God himself couldn’t do nothing, maybe God wanted to prove that he could.”

There’s no limit…
“But my thing is that man, there’s a reason I don’t say things of that nature. I don’t tell people ‘There will never be another Ray Robinson’. You know what you are actually saying? You’re saying God did the best he could actually do. But when you say there will never be another Jordan, there will never be another Ray Robinson, there will never be another Muhammad Ali, you are basically saying God broke the mold when he made those dudes. And it could never get better than this. I don’t see how , if you could mention God’s name in things, that you could assume things like that. For those of us who seem like we hold a relationship with God, there’s no limit. There’s no limit. I can’t even fathom to tell my kids ‘You could never be as good as another man’. I’ve never seen a man who made me think in that capacity. ‘Wow, we’ll never see another man like this’. It’s just a man.”

This should be on it own not tied to something else .

[PACsmash]

Here we go with the excuses. If you really knew boxing you'd know why this ends up happening.

did this happen in the first 2 match up? if not then i dont see how u can say that their style match up will cause this to happen.