Comments Thread For: Arum: Pacquiao-Martinez Possible, Same Day Weigh-In

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Not really. A lot of "big guys" fought at a weight-class that was too light for them cuz' they were too small to fight at the next higher weight.

Lamotta would had benefited immensly if there was a SMW weight-class. Like Hagler he was too small to fight at LHW. So he had to dangerously shrink down to MW to have some success.

But, if there was a 168 division that danger would have been eliminated.

Really with as many divisions as we have today. There should be same day weigh-in...The state of Pensylvannia still has same day weigh-in rule. As many weight-classes as we have now the danger is very limited, and it would eliminate catch-weights which is a plus.

Of course you will get the few that would still try and shrink down. But, there so many weight-classes now more so than before that you don't have to do that.

Same day weigh-in is the way to go. I like that idea.

I like the idea too but it wont happen because you will always have people that will fight dehydrated so that they can be bigger in the fight , if no high profile fights were at 168 and the big money was at 160 Lamotta is still at 160 , its just the way it is in boxing , whatever the class a guy will try to make a lower class if he can make it whether it be for advantage or for the big fight he cant get in his best weight class , there are quite a few reasons they do it , and in making it is where the trouble is ..

It only takes one high profile death with a fighter that was dehydrated and then the media get wind and make a big song and dance and we are back to where we are now , like I said if the weighed in 3 times over 7 days it would advert any trying to manipulate fluid , but that wont happen either so it looks like we are stuck with a 30 hr weigh-in .

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nah, leadupper**** is just a part time floyd f@g but really is a pissdrinker fan. he knows pissdrinker will always pac's b1tch , and he cant accept that fact.

Just getting back to this whiney ***go7.....

Fanboy, you are a total joke for coming here to frantically wave your manny-flag, but being helplessly unable to address any of those documented issues about Pacquiao..... nothing but a pig-ignorant, flag-waving, fanboy

What a joke that you think that Pacquiao is an actual " great ", and yet he has a list of unanswered questions hanging over his resume' that happens to be longer than his list of achievements

Fanboy boxing analyst, good luck with your " I love Manny " system

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The limit for Oscar fight was at 147.

From what I remember it was originally scheduled for 147 but then changed to 145. I just checked wikipedia and it states the same.

[jrosales13]

From what I remember it was originally scheduled for 147 but then changed to 145. I just checked wikipedia and it states the same.

No, it was 147.

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are you telling me that a fighter ranked #4 is not a "top" fighter?? you are nuts. You should have a look at Joe Louis' title opponents and see where they were ranked, guys with 15-20 losses etc. When he fought Schmeling the second time, Schmeling's record was 52-7 (5 KOs)and he only fought one more really. He was done, finished, cooked and about 10 years older than Louis.

In his 24 defences (1 was only the NY version) his opponents had the GRAND TOTAL of 296 losses. That's an average of over 12 losses per opponent. And those who had fewer losses also have far fewer fights and consequently were less experienced. And don't forget t the guy he beat for the title had 23 losses and was really a lt. heavyweight, and also about 10 years older than Louis.

Yet Louis is generally and rightly regarded as being in the top 3-5 heavyweights of all time, along with Foreman, Ali, Johnson .............

Fkn serious ?

I DARE YOU, to explain to me IN GREAT DETAIL, why you consider Josh "the punching bag" Clottey to be a top fighter..... then, you can explain why you disagree with a number of leading boxing journalists who stated after the Clottey fight that Cotto looked awful and that he had clearly faded...... and Mosley..... Mosley who THE ENTIRE WORLD could see was old, shot, and could no longer pull the trigger....., seriously dude, I dare you to go there..... I dare you.

If you think that the Mosley, Cotto, and Clottey, that Pacquiao fought were top fighters, then you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about boxing..... and I know thats not the case, so I wonder why you come across like an absolute ******* sometimes?

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not only is 'catchwieght' thing a painfully annoying piece of crap, and everyone knows this except Bob or Roach or Pac, they added 'same day weigh-in' puke on top of it! Bob really think we're all dumb!

Most are dumb ****s.

Arum already admitted that most of the people who paid for Cotto/Margarito knew that those guys had no chance of winning, they just wanted to be entertained by Manny

Arum is well-aware that Pacquiao's fanbase are not boxing fans, they are Manny fans and will pay to watch him no matter what little-old-lady he fights.

They are dumb ****s, and Arum is milking them accordingly.

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So Martinez has to sweat down to some catchweight and goes into the fight dehydrated with insufficient amniotic fluid and is killed by repeated bouncing of his brain off the inside of his skull.

There's a reason that same day weigh-ins don't happen anymore.

This ain't gonna' happen. It's just positioning and hype.

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From what I remember it was originally scheduled for 147 but then changed to 145. I just checked wikipedia and it states the same.

LOL, that's a lie!

The fight was at 147.

Oscar came in lighter on his own volition.

Maybe because he didn't want to risk coming in over and paying the million dollar per pound over the limit penalty, and also because he was planning on fighting Hatton at 140 or a welter catchweight after Pac.

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About the catchweight, it's ridiculous, but no more ridiculous than Mayweather demanding Winky Wright agree to a rehydration clause and a same day weigh-in when they were negotiating. They were two divisions apart as Pac and Martinez are.
No-one cries about Mayweather killing the Winky match, and he fought a rubbish fight in Sharmba Mitchell instead

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The problem with irrational fans like yourself is that you use hindsight to judge everything. You have to factor in timing, what matches can be made, what matches are already scheduled and how fighters are rated going into bouts not what they look like years down the road. It's comical how people like you spew one sided bull**** outta your mouth. Let's refute your bull**** shall we.

* Zahir Raheem is a one hit wonder. He lost his very next fight after Morales to a fading Freitas and has beat no one else of note, he does not make Pac a great fighter for beating him.

Stop being so ******. You just stated that "the problem with irrational fans like yourself is that you use hindsight to judge", and then you proceeded to do exactly that.

Did you know that Raheem would never amount to anything? NO, you did not, and neither did Pac, which is why Manny ducked Raheem, just like he ducked Casa, Soto, Guzman, Campbell, etc..... FACT: Pac did not fight Morales' conqueror, he fought Morales, only an idiot would fail to see whats up with that.

It is amusing that I am required to take your word that Pac could have beaten Raheem.

FACT: We dont know if Pacquiao could have beaten Raheem, because he did not fight him.

Here is your problem kid, I have only addressed the first of your issues, and yet already I can clearly see that you are just a flag-waving pac fanboy.

* Pac did beat JMM @ 130 jacka** and in case you forgot, JMM turned down the rematch @ 126 to fight Chris John in Indonesia for a measly 30K. That's why it took 4 years between bouts.

No, he did not, the entire developed world knows who won that fight, including Pacquiao, which is why he would not rematch Marquez.

It is common knowledge that Arum reneged on the original $1.5mil deal and offered Marquez 750k, EXACTLY like he just did to Maidana by offering him 150k to fight Bradley. CLEARLY Arum did not want that fight.

Come on man, dont be such an idiot, a catchweight is middle-ground in order to ensure a fairer contest, and Manny recently admitted that his best fighting weight is 140, so why does a career-featherweight have to jump TWO DIVISIONS to welter? If you really need me to answer that question for you, then you should not be here.

* Humberto Soto is a historical ducker and how does beating him make Pac great? What achievements has Soto accomplished? In case you forgot again, he dropped 2 out of 3 bouts when Pac campaigned through 130/135 so how does that set up a bout?

Are you using hindsight AGAIN to make excuses for Manny, just like you accused me of doing? FACT: Soto was a threat, FACT: Pacquiao did not fight him, as usual, just like Raheem, just like Casa, just like Guzman, just like Campbell, just like Ortiz, just like Marquez, just like Mayweather, just like Martinez.

It is absurd that Mayflower just fought his 3rd CONSECUTIVE opponent that Pacquiao had already ducked, and yet you choose to label him as the ducker (I bet you label Mayweathers opponents as a cherry-pick, despite the fact that Pacquiao then proceeded to fight a worse version, right?) and it is absurd that Mayweather is stepping up and taking on challenges that the supposed P4P king Pacquiao will not take.

* You are correct in your next 3 points, Pac navigated around 135 to take an easy title from D. Diaz when huge fights were there to be made with Campbell, Juan Diaz and Guzman. His legacy takes a huge blow there and he probably would be considered a great fighter for beating at least 2 of those 3.

Then stop being so ******. If something happens once, then it is coincidence, if something happens twice, that could still be coincidence, but when something happens three times (let alone happens to Pacquiao's last 8 consecutive opponents) then, THAT IS A PLAN !!

The fact is that Pacquiao has ducked everyone since then who could possibly be considered a threat, to fight old faded vulnerable shop-worn opponents who were made-to-order, Bruce Trampler has done a masterful job.

NOTE: I dont give a *** who "padded" Pacquiao fights, but I will not sit idle whilst you fanboy clowns try to wank on about Pacquiao being a genuine great, despite the fact that he only fights little old ladies.

* Many people regarded Hatton as the top dawg @ 140. He was the Ring champ, he held unified titles at one time and defeated a legend in Kosta Tszyu. He was never effective @ 147 but ruled JWW in most peoples opinion.

So he beat an old Tszyu, so what..... Hatton was never an elite fighter, he was well-faded, and he had been slipping for some time..... he struggled against Collazo/Urango/Lazcano and he had his clock cleaned by Mayweather. He was a cracked egg, he was made to order, and he was highly vulnerable.

Again, I dont give a **** who Pac fights, I just find it amusing that you want to regard the cracked egg Hatton like he was Pernell Whittaker or something.

* Do you really have to bring up hypothetical matches? Unless Pac gets in a time machine it's impossible for him to fight prime versions of Oscar and Shane. They were before his time and always will be. Okay, he didn't fight Oscar @ 154, BUT, he was coming up from 135 for ****s sake.

You are missing two points. Firstly, there is nothing hypothetical about the fact that Pacquiao did not beat a prime Hoya (or any prime opponent for that matter), that is just one of the many unanswered questions that hang over Manny's manufactured resume'..... and as I said earlier, the fact that there are questions marks over EVERY SINGLE ONE of Pacquiao's recent opponents, is no coincidence, it simply couldnt be.

It could not be a coincidence that since Pacquiao avoided all of those guys that you mentioned earlier, he has not fought one single threat aside from Marquez, which he lost, according to most knowledgeable observers. That is no coincidence, THAT IS A PLAN, which is fine, until you start wanking on to me about how a guy with an OBVIOUS plan to avoid anyone who poses a threat, is an ATG

The second point that you missed is that it is well-documented that Pacquiao ducked a past-prime version of Mosley who was still ranked the #1 welter..... so forget "hypothetical match-ups", because that was a cop-out.

* Cotto had one loss and was close enough to his prime, he was like 29. Margs not so much. Again, Pac's legacy does take a hit for winning the WW/JMW belts at a catchweight but don't even bring up the Clottey fight. If you think that an offensive minded Clottey could have won the fight than you're a bigger fool than everyone on this site thinks you are. Pac isn't the only fighter to use catchweights either, look at legendary fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard and Bhop as examples too.

Dont be ridiculous, Cotto has been a cracked egg since Margarito, he has simply never been the same, look at the Jennings and Clottey performances..... I will not even argue with you regarding that issue, that is a no-brainer. You are an absolute fkn moron if you think that Pacquiao fought a prime Cotto..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales, which is a cowardly b1tch-move.

You are also an ignorant moron if you regard SRL as a genuine LHW champ, because he most certainly was not.

Again, just more pac-dribble to make excuses for a supposed P4P king.

A P4P king who will not fight anyone dangerous in his own division without a catchweight. Go figure.

* Ortiz? When Pac made the move to 147, Cotto/Margs/Clottey/Mosley were all ranked in the top 5. They were all ESTABLISHED welterweights, champions/former champs, and all fought each other which knocked them down a peg or up a peg. Ortiz was not an established welterweight, I REPEAT NOT AN ESTABLISHED WELTERWEIGHT! Yes he beat Berto but was also coming off a draw to Lamont friggin Peterson. He only had ONE fight @ 147 before he showed his inconsistent attributes against Floyd and tried to play grab a** before he got KTFO!

Wow, you ridiculous kid, you just do not want Pac to man-up and fight a threat, do ya? I have never heard a genuine boxing fan make so many excuses to avoid a fight.

1.) Ortiz laid hands all over Pac in sparring, Roach called that session "the best sparring EVER"
2.) Ortiz beat a guy who was on Pacquiao's own short-list (so all of your bull**** excuses end here - what, Berto was ready, but Ortiz wasnt? GTFOH)
3.) Ortiz was ranked higher than anyone Pac has fought at welter, before or since..... Pac has never beaten a welter ranked as high as #3

That could be a great fight, I cant believe nobody is screaming for that fight. Two southpaws, both come forward, both bring it..... but we just couldnt have that, could we? *** watching a good fight, right?

* Cry me a river, JMM and PAC will be the same weight this saturday so big fu*cking deal. Get your facts straight as well because Pac did make 140 against Hatton and JMM vs PAC 3 is @ 144, so your facts are off as always.

All I am going to say is that you are a fkn idiot clownboy. So, Pac cannot fight a genuine JMW, even though he held a title in that division, and yet Marquez has to jump TWO DIVISIONS to welter even after already proving that he cannot hang there? And this is in spite of the fact that Pac recently admitted that 140 is his best fighting weight.

You arse-wipe, go drown yourself.

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