Comments Thread For: Hopkins is Released From The Hospital, Injury update

[mathed]

I fell on my shoulder a few years ago and it was a sideways fall with all the weight on the shoulder and none on the elbow. I tried to take it for about 2 weeks but I finally broke down and went to the ER. They did X-rays first......................the thing is, x-rays only look at dense matter, such as bone and joint. They told me that the shoulder socket was inflamed but I would have to go to a specialist for more information. The specialist looked at the x-ray and told me that the joint was swollen and needed like 2 months AT LEAST, in order for it to heal. I passed the range of motion and resistance tests for the rotator cuff examination so I was good to go. If I had failed that, he would have needed to do an MRI to look at the soft tissue for ligament damage and/or muscle damage.

The AC tear is on the top of the shoulder and is very common in football players. Either the shoulder sags low or there is a lump in between the end of the collar bone and the shoulder....these are the "tell-tale" signs of this type of separation. All the doctor needs to see is the lump and he knows what it is...there is no need for any further examination in order to determine a diagnosis for this injury.



This one is pretty close to how Hopkins fell last night too.......

[UglyPug]

chaos - i do like hopkins, but before the injury reports came out from a Dr., I was talking all kinds of shyt! i just now admit that i was wrong, and i seirously doubt hopkins was faking the pain. . .

however, i don't think dawson fouled him - i do think Hopkins shouldn't have jumped on his back, and if you are going to jump on and clinch somebody, you should be expected to get shrugged off. . . EXACT SAME THING COTTO DID TO CLOTTEY! Just a shrug-off. . .

This type of shyt happens in boxing - injuries happen - it's a risk we take when we buy fights. . . It's happened before, and it'll happen again. . . but to say our opinion is superior to a Dr.'s is just downright ignorant.

[Chaos]

chaos - i do like hopkins, but before the injury reports came out from a Dr., I was talking all kinds of shyt! i just now admit that i was wrong, and i seirously doubt hopkins was faking the pain. . .

however, i don't think dawson fouled him - i do think Hopkins shouldn't have jumped on his back, and if you are going to jump on and clinch somebody, you should be expected to get shrugged off. . . EXACT SAME THING COTTO DID TO CLOTTEY! Just a shrug-off. . .

This type of shyt happens in boxing - injuries happen - it's a risk we take when we buy fights. . . It's happened before, and it'll happen again. . . but to say our opinion is superior to a Dr.'s is just downright ignorant.

I never said my opinion is superior to that of a doctor. What I'm saying is that because I know Hopkins has a history of faking injury, and because this type of injury can be diagnosed without any physical evidence of trauma, I think he was faking. The doctor on the other hand has no reason not to believe him when he describes his pain so he'll give the diagnosis that corresponds to that pain. If it was a more serious injury that would actually show on an x-ray then the whole point is moot, but this is an injury that can easily be faked.

[amayseng]

If you disagree with me state why, don't make silly comments. I'm not going to insult you back cause I like 4 out of your top 5 (not in that order though) so you can't be all bad.

Ever heard of range of motion tests?

U are saying Hopkins pointed and said ouch and the dr

said ok AC dislocation.

Come on man.

I'm a physical therapist.

Are u a dr?

[Chaos]

Ever heard of range of motion tests?

U are saying Hopkins pointed and said ouch and the dr

said ok AC dislocation.

Come on man.

I'm a physical therapist.

Are u a dr?

Yes I've had the range motion tests cause that's how my doctor knew I needed operations on both my shoulders. You lie down on your back and the Dr moves your arm in different directions and angles to see how messed up the shoulder is. Ac separation/dislocation is not the same as a shoulder dislocation though. As I'm sure you know there are different grades in terms of severity and the lower grades are diagnosed based on the description of the injury and pain that it's causing. If Hopkins had the higher grade injury we should've seen something sticking out or they should've popped it back in while he was in the ring. I think we should continue this discussion if/when he gets an MRI because that will prove whether or not something was torn. Until then we're really just basing our opinions on whether we believe him or not, and based on his past I don't think he's being honest. I don't think he meant for it to go this far, I think he was expecting a point off or a NC and rematch but that didn't happen so now he has to cover his arse. That's just my opinion though. If you're a physio then I'm sure you know it's possible to fake injuries that can't be tested through ordinary examinations. Just ask any insurance adjuster and they'll have a boatload of stories of people that fake injuries with doctor's notes and everything, it's not the hardest thing to do.

[Juanma9]

that's why i said initially i thought the dr.'s report would just be "bruiser shoulder" or something where all the dr. has to go by is the patient's word. . . what they will do is just feel in certain areas and ask you "how much does it hurt on 1-10". . . i would think an xray would pick up a separation, though. im going to ask around and do some more information on how AC separation's are diagnosed - whether if it's by "word and educated, medical guess", or if it's actually verified by X-ray. . .

X-rays don't pick up on ligaments. You need MRI for that.

[Troav]

Hopkins had no reason to fake the injury. I mean we were barely into the fight.

[SkillspayBills]

Yea make this a no contest and do this **** all over again in March.

[edgarg]

In Hopkins/Echols II, Bhop dislocated his shoulder and continued the fight one-handed.

He didn't "continue to fight one-handed" After a round in which he easily kept his hand up but didn't use it, he tried to fake Echols in which failed. He began using it after a round. Look at the tape.

[edgarg]

HOPKINS SUFFERS SEPARATED AC JOINT


Bernard Hopkins has been released from the California Hospital Medical Center in Los Angeles after being x-rayed and examined by Dr. Sam Thurber, MD who diagnosed Hopkins with a separation of the acromioclavicular (A-C) joint which connects the collar bone and shoulder blade.

More information on AC joint separation (taken from Wikipedia):

A common injury to the AC joint is dislocation, often called AC separation or shoulder separation. This is not the same as a "shoulder dislocation," which refers to dislocation of the glenohumeral joint.

AC dislocation is particularly common in collision sports such as ice hockey, football, rugby and aussie rules, and is also a problem for those who participate in swimming, horseback riding, mountain biking, biking and snow skiing. The most common mechanism of injury is a fall on the tip of the shoulder or FOOSH (falls on outstretched hand).

AC dislocations are also graded from I to VI. Grading is based upon the degree of separation of the acromion from the clavicle with weight applied to the arm. Grade I is a tear of the AC ligament. It has the normal separation of <4mm. Grade II is a complete dislocation of AC ligament with partial disruption of coracoclavicular ligament. The AC gap is >5mm. Grades I and II never require surgery and heal by themselves, though physical therapy may be required. Grade III is complete disruption of AC and CC ligaments. On plain film the inferior aspect of the clavicle will be above the superior aspect of the acromion. This can also be assessed with an MRI scan, which will also demonstrate disruption of the coracoclavicular ligaments (the degree depending on the severity of AC joint disruption) as well as tearing of the joint capsule. The joint will be very tender and swollen on examination. Grade III separations most often do not require surgery and shoulder function should return to normal after 16–20 weeks. However, there will be some physical deformity of the shoulder with a noticeable bump resulting from the dislocation of the clavicle. Grades IV-VI are complications on a 'standard' dislocation involving a displacement of the clavicle, and will almost always require surgery.

Wikipedia actually says "most often results from a blow to the shoulder or a fall on a hand:......