Better Legacy, Bernard Hopkins or Wladmir Klitschko?

[sunny31]

I support all british fighters, not just Haye.

I also support fighters from all over the world, and my opinion on this matter has nothing to do with Haye or Allegience to either fighter.

But I wouldn't expect a twat like you to understand any of this.

Fact is David Haye is the only truly world class fighter that Wlad has ever beaten, and it is arguable if he was world class at heavyweight.

Bernard Hopkins has fought and beaten top fighters, HOF's, ATG's. Had more defences than Wlad, is superior to Wlad in fighting style and skill level respectively, it is an embarassing comparison, Wlad himself would find it embarassing...I am sure.

[UglyPug]

hopkins is legit in any era. klits aint.

I disagree, not with hopkins being legit in any era, cause he definitely is, but i don't see how you can say the klitschko's would not AT LEAST be competitive in any era? Can you imagine them fighting Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Marciano?! They would SLAUGHTER these guys. . .

I think Ali would decision the Klitschko's due to fleetness of hand and foot, and overall skill, but i certainly wouldn't bet the house on it. . . I think you are underestimating the Klitschko's skill level, coupled with natural athleticism. . . Wladimir is very dexterous and agile. . .

[NoLove]

Wlad has been dominating for a long long time. He is untouchable. Haye was supposed to be the 'breath or fresh air' for heavyweight boxing. And Wlad made him look like a complete amateur. As for Vitali, he is the best heavyweight of all time, in my opinion.

[UglyPug]

Hopkins has the better legacy, though. . .

Im not trying to down Hopkins, because he is one of the greats, and one of my favorites but if you scrutinize his MW run, the level of competition is on par with the klitschko's level of competition, if not worse. . . I believe what he has done POST MW career at his age, is really what defines his career. . .

Also, he fought a bunch of these journeyman type fighters more than once to defend his title.

For Example: Robert Allen he fought three times, Segundo Mercado he fought twice, drawing the first time with him, and he fought Antwun Echols twice. . . Glen Johnson is the best win he had at middleweight, seeing as how Tito was two weight-classes from his best, just like Oscar. . .

A lot of his "best name value" wins - Oscar, Tito, Winky were guys who were fighting WELL above their weight classes. The best fighters Hopkins fought, at the right weight classes, Joe Calzaghe and Roy, he got beat . . . Still, Hopkins is a legend and a top 50 GOAT. . . But scrutinize Hopkins just like you scrutinize Klitschkos. . .

[J.R]

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[UglyPug]

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Hopkins has the better legacy, but the topic merits discussion. . . uhh hopkins vs. robert allen THREE TIMES?! Antwun Echols TWICE! Hopkins vs. Andrew Council, William Bo James, Joe Lipseym Morradar Hakker? DRAWING with Segundo Mercado, then beating him to win the MW title, a guy who subsequently went 19-10-3?!

Look, Hopkins is a legend, and an all-time great, but lets not pretend that Hopkins exactly had the most difficult competition when he was able to blout out the MW belt like the persians blotted out the sun with their arrows. . .

People treat the Klitschko's unfairly for some reason. . . As far as being "boring" - Hopkins has had some real doozies himself. . .

Look at Hopkins best wins (trinidad, DLH, Pavlik, winkster) - against guys fighting one, two or three divisions above their natural, and best weight classes. . . He was beaten twice by Jermain Taylor (close fights, could have gone either way, NOT a robbery anyway u look at it), lost to joe calzaghe WHO CAME UP from SMW for his first fight, LOST to roy jones. . .

[Sadistic]

Wlad couldn't beat Ross Purrity, Corrie Sanders and needed a second shot at a blind Brewster to avenge getting ktfo.

******ed troll

Get a life you fat ugly pathetic loser (yeah I saw your pic fat boy)

Brewster had SUCCESSFUL SURGERY for his eye and was in GREAT SHAPE for the Wlad rematch. In the interviews BEFORE and AFTER the fight, Brewster repeatedly said his eye was fine after the successful surgery. He gave Wlad full credit for dominating him and becoming the first man to stop him.

Brewster was getting destroyed in the first fight, he's lucky Wlad was poisoned. In the rematch, Wlad completely dominated every round and made Brewster quit TKO 6

[Sadistic]

[sunny31]

I disagree, not with hopkins being legit in any era, cause he definitely is, but i don't see how you can say the klitschko's would not AT LEAST be competitive in any era? Can you imagine them fighting Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Marciano?! They would SLAUGHTER these guys. . .

I think Ali would decision the Klitschko's due to fleetness of hand and foot, and overall skill, but i certainly wouldn't bet the house on it. . . I think you are underestimating the Klitschko's skill level, coupled with natural athleticism. . . Wladimir is very dexterous and agile. . .

Whilst I agree that the Klistchko's would be at/near the top in any era, how can you jump to the conclusion that Wlad would 'SLAUGHTER these guys', what are you basing that on...size alone? Do you think that either Klitschko has fought smaller guys that had the ability, skill, power, intelligence of those fighters you mention? Because I certainly don't.

I never understand why Klitschko fans clown David Haye's ability, but then say the Klitschko's easily beat the guys from the 70's and before based on size. Am I safe to assume then that Haye is on the level of world champions in previous era's? You can't have it both ways.

My opinion is that Haye would have not been able to live with someone like Frazier, or Foreman, Ali, or even Norton, and it also my opinion that you can not definitely say that Wlad vs greats of the past is a forgone conclusion, basically because he has honestly never fought a truly world class heavyweight, until his skills are proven against a top heavyweight, we will never know. At least with Vitali we know he belongs.

[Sadistic]

Wlad couldn't beat Ross Purrity, Corrie Sanders

Current Wlad destroys any version of Sanders and Purrity and you know it.

Vitali destroyed Sanders and Purrity before Wlad got to them.