Klitschkos are the the best of this era

[j]

bozo, i certainly see your point, but it's not like there is anybody overly impressive he can build his resume with.

think about if lennox lewis was fighting right now instead of vitali. how would you make an argument for him?

[Bozo_no no]

bozo, i certainly see your point, but it's not like there is anybody overly impressive he can build his resume with.

think about if lennox lewis was fighting right now instead of vitali. how would you make an argument for him?

I'd say he should unify the four titles. That would really be all that he can do.

But pointing out that the division is ****ty right now when none of the top 5 fighters are fighting eachother doesn't do much for anyone's case.

But like I often point out, there's not a fanatical group of nut huggers making crazed hyped assertions about Chris Byrd, Lamon Brewster or John Ruiz.

All Vitali could do now is to fight the best fighters available.

After he fights Rahman, we'll see how interested he is in doing that.

Now's the point where you'll tell me big bad Don King is going to prevent him from doing that.

Well then he'll fight top 5-30 fighters in one of the weakest divisions of all time and retire with Rahman and Donald as his biggest wins.

[j]

no, not too many byrd fanatics, but there is plenty of rjj fanatics, tyson fanatics, toney fanatics, etc.

go after them sometimes.

boxing matchmaking is a tricky business. i don't think you or me fully understand what goes down in the deal making unless you work in that field.

i do believe that having the k bros as simultaneous champs is a plus for the division, which is why i root for them. hopefully it's all uphill from here.

and yeah, there are brewster fanatics as well. but, the worst type of boxing fan i've seen so far, are the ones who root against a fighter simply because they dislike them, instead of rooting for thier own fighters.

[Bozo_no no]

no, not too many byrd fanatics, but there is plenty of rjj fanatics, tyson fanatics, toney fanatics, etc.

go after them sometimes.

boxing matchmaking is a tricky business. i don't think you or me fully understand what goes down in the deal making unless you work in that field.

i do believe that having the k bros as simultaneous champs is a plus for the division, which is why i root for them. hopefully it's all uphill from here.

and yeah, there are brewster fanatics as well. but, the worst type of boxing fan i've seen so far, are the ones who root against a fighter simply because they dislike them, instead of rooting for thier own fighters.

RJJ, Tyson, and Toney all are accomplished fighters.

Vitali Klitschko is not.

And no fighter receives more unjustified unearned hype on this site than Vitali Klitschko. And no group of fanatics is more deluded and spitful towards anyone that disagrees with them.

You are pretty level headed, but many of them arent.

And you can talk about match making all you want, we were discussing Vitali Klitschko and the word Great.

Unless he dominates a good chunck of the division over the next few years, the word "great" should never be used in a sentence with him.

You can complain about Politics all you want. You don't get to be a great fighter without beating other great fighters or dominating a division being active and with consistency over a substantial period of time.

Since winning the WBC title, he's defedned it once agaisnt Danny Williams, and is now fighting Rahman. At 34, he's got a lot left to prove if he wants to be considered a great fighter.

[j]

yeah, time is against him. but it should be noted that he was a decorated kickboxing champ ever before he was a boxer. he's a proven and yes, an accomplished fighter. being considered great is a matter of opinion. i don't consider tyson great, just very good. and toney was pretty good, but to me he's yet to prove being more than a decent heavyweight. i'll reserve my judgement on him for now. than again, as i was saying, what comp is out there to prove yourself to be great against?

to me, collecting titles isn't ultimately the last word in saying if a fighter is great or not.

just my opinion stated, but i feel i do have a different insight than most people on this board

[Leo Pradun]

I understand that, but that does not help his case unless he really picks it up after fighting Rahman.

I have said in other threads that Rahman is a mandatory, but he's just another meidocre opponent.

Once Rahman is out of the way, unless Klitschko starts to unify titles, he will be running out of time to obtain a chance at garnering Hall of Fame attention.

he called out Brewster and Brewster stated that he wants the fight if Vitali beats Rahman, but Wlad becoming Brewsters mandatory may change things, I think when he gets passed Rahman hes gonna start fighting titleholders and the Toneys of the divion....

[j]

hey leo, i remember both bros calling out brewster, brewster only stated some bull**** thing like you gotta fight this guy or this guy instead of straight up taking the challenge.

somewhat hard to blame him though, the bros pose more of a threat than anyone else i see. maybe toney could pose a threat also. and perhaps peter if he gets a bit more polished.

[Leo Pradun]

This coming from the Bevis and Buthead personality of the Nut Huggers.

Please.

All you do is come into Klitschko threads and tell people to shut up and call them ******.

You present no valid arguments, and just act bitter and spitfull. Look at how angry you look in your photo. That couldn't be anymore fitting.

dude spare me of the bull****t man, Im telling u that u hate too much and u only see what u say, not what it is, ur saying that sanders was not a worthy opponent, well at the time he was, where the hell was everyone else?????Do u present any valid arguments besides sanders not being a good opponent or Johnson, Donald,Williams being most notable wins??? Vitali did what he had to do and he holds the title, hes fighting Rahman in 2 weeks and after that hes going on to fight titleholders and other good fighters, then u will finally shut ur mouth....

[Enayze]

I understand that, but that does not help his case unless he really picks it up after fighting Rahman.

I have said in other threads that Rahman is a mandatory, but he's just another meidocre opponent.

Once Rahman is out of the way, unless Klitschko starts to unify titles, he will be running out of time to obtain a chance at garnering Hall of Fame attention.

Rahman was a mandatory, as was Corrie Sanders, as was Kirk Johnson, as was Larry Donald, as was Vaughn Bean.

What was Golota when he fought Byrd? What was Oquendo when he fought Byrd? What was DaVaryll Williamson when he fought Byrd?

What was Rahman when he fought Ruiz? What was Golota when he fought Ruiz? What was James Toney when he fought Ruiz?

What was Meehan when he fought Brewster? What was Golota when he fought Brewster?

None of these fighters are any more worthy than what VItali fought nor were they better. It's not his fault that he's forced to fight mandatories. If it was up to him, he would've cleaned out the division with those last 3 fights being against Ruiz, Byrd, and Brewster instead of Williams, Sanders, and Rahman.

[Bozo_no no]

And what both of you fail to realize is that when you clowns start calling him a "great fighter" or "the Champion" or "the best fighter of the mellenium",

there's nothing he's done to warrent that claim or that kind of hype.

You come to his defense and mention he was forced to take a lot of those fights.

That does nothing to validate any of the above unwarrented claims.

Regardless of the excuses, he's lost to the two top fighters he's faced, and has some solid wins of meidocre fighters.

and after that hes going on to fight titleholders and other good fighters, then u will finally shut ur mouth....

That's really all you have that you can say which amounts to a "Wait and you'll see".

And nothing is going to convince you that Corrie Sanders was a fringe contender, so there's really no point in trying. You Nut Huggers like to view him as some kind of He Man because he cracked Wlad's chin in 90 seconds of work. Prior to that, he'd fought 4 times in about 5 years, and after that, he was inactive a year before fighting Vitali.

Any way you try and spin it, he's a Fringe contender.