Klitschkos are the the best of this era

[Enayze]

I haven't made a point?

I disproved everything you said, of course it makes no sense to you. Pathetic defence

oh my God! I see you are one of those cases who locked in their own mind. You sure say fringe contenders now after Vitali schooled them both, but as I said, AT THE TIME they were considered to be top competition.

Lets review the aftermath of Ruiz's, Byrds, and Brewsters opponents, to see how top they were.

First up we have

Byrd!!!

Vs Vitali: After getting his ass beat around the ring against the one armed Vitali he finally got saved, due to Vitali pulling out with an injury.

Vs David Tua: After losing to Byrd, Tua went on to get a draw with Rahman which many thought he should've lost that fight, and dissapeared from the face of the earth for 2 years.

Vs Holyfield: In his last 9 fights he only has 2 wins. After losing to Byrd he went on to lose to Toney, and Larry Donald

Vs Fres Oquendo: LOL this man got sparked by David Tua, he did beat Byrd though, but Kings judges were at there finest. No matter, he went on to lose to Ruiz, and hasn't fought for a year and half.

Vs Andrew GOlota: This man has never beaten a top 20 conteder in his life nuff said.

Vs Jameel Mc'Cline: Had already been beaten by Wladimir Klitshcko when he was in his top ten position, and after losing to Byrd, went on to lose to Calvin Brock and a fighter with a record of 19-10-4 (0 KO'S!!!)

VS Davaryll Williamson: This man had already lost to Wladimir Klitschko, and Joe Mesi and participated in a match with Byrd, which is a candidate for most boring fight of the year.

In title fights he's 5-1-1, it should've been 4-3-0, because he lost to Oquendo, and Golota

Next up we have John Ruiz!!!!

He started out his title fight with a loss to Holyfield

Vs Holyfield he had the most boring fight trilogy probably known to men. Holyfield was way past his best, and even managed to beat Ruiz once, and draw the other time. And than go one to lose 3 out of his last 4 fights.

Vs Kirk Johnson: Johnson was actually up on the scorecards if it wasn't for the low blows. He won because Johnson couldn't keep his punches up, in a fight where Johnson was a live fighter who could've as well won the fight

Vs Roy Jones Jr: Lost and got schooled like a he was an ameatur by a former Middleweight champ!!!

Vs Hasim Rahman: Rahman at the time of fighting Ruiz was coming off a draw with Tua, and a loss to Evander Holyfield!!!!

Vs Fres Oquendo: He was versing a recycled fighter that lost to Byrd (with the help of judges).

Vs Andrew Golota: He hasn't beat a top 20 contender yet!!!

Vs James Toney: Got schooled, but the man had to take steroids

In title fights hes 4-3-1

Lamon Brewster:

Vs W.Klitschko: No doubt he won, but was getting his ass beat around the ring before Wlad collapsed, and it wasn't due to Brewsters work rate.

Vs Meehan: Meehan was ranked top 40 fighter when he fought Brewster, and actually on many people scorecards won the fight

Vs Golota: Golota was coming off from a draw against Byrd, and a loss against RUiz, he still was to beat a top 40 contender

Vs Krasniqi: SOlid win, but he once again was losing the fight.

4-0 in Title fights, against Mediocre competition with exception of W. Klitschko, and Krasniqi.

Vitali Klitschko

Vs Larry Donald: Believe it or not he was a top ten heavyweight, and afterwards went on to beat a shot Holyfield, draw against Ray Austin, and beat Valuev, but lost due to German judges.

Vs Vaugn Bean: A solid top ten contender, which actually gave Vitali his no. 1 WBA position

VS Lennox Lewis: Lost a fight in which he was up on all 3 scorecards, due to a cut. Went on to capture Lewises vacated title

Vs Kirk Johnson: Was ranked top 10 by the ring, and no.5 by the WBC, was the mandated opponent Vitali had to face, in order to get his shot at the WBC title.

Vs Corrie Sanders: Sanders was ranked no.3 by the Ring, and no.1 by WBC, he was mandatory to fight to win the WBC championship.

Vs Danny Williams: Beat the top 10 WBC ranked Tyson, to put himself in the no.7 slot.

Vitalis record in championship fights

5-2

[Enayze]

Why are you so confident Lewis would lose a rematch? An out of shape Lewis held his own against Vitali.
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Whats exactly being out of shape? Weighing 5 pounds over your usuall weight? Or is it throwing 40 punches per round?

All reasonable things, to suggest that a fighter is prepared.

What makes me confident that Vitali would most likely win the rematch is not only was he super hungry, and wanted vengeance, but that Lewis, showed signs of fear, when he got his doctors to examine Vitali's eye, when he sat on the belt for a year, and stated that he wouldn't fight until and elimination fight between Vitali and Kirk happened. Why is it that I have a feeling that if Kirk beat Vitali Lewis would happily take the his fight against Johnson?

Pre fight with Vitali Lewis made statements, that he wanted a rematch with Tyson, and had about 3 fights left in him. At one time he tried to take Tyson to court so a rematch would happen, claiming that Tyson was costing him money by not rematching him. At one point he went to court to try and get Vitali's no.1 WBC position stripped.

[BLOODSHED]

Lewis is a *****, Im not disu*****g that. But Vitali is right up there too with his less than stellar opposition since the Lewis fight. Vitali had 15,000 fans after that fight with Lewis. Out of the crowd there that night, its more like 150 fans because he's wasted that momentum he had. But Lewis who was pudgy and out of shape gave Vitali a hard time. Look at that picture if you don't believe me.

Whats exactly being out of shape? Weighing 5 pounds over your usuall weight? Or is it throwing 40 punches per round?

All reasonable things, to suggest that a fighter is prepared.

What makes me confident that Vitali would most likely win the rematch is not only was he super hungry, and wanted vengeance, but that Lewis, showed signs of fear, when he got his doctors to examine Vitali's eye, when he sat on the belt for a year, and stated that he wouldn't fight until and elimination fight between Vitali and Kirk happened. Why is it that I have a feeling that if Kirk beat Vitali Lewis would happily take the his fight against Johnson?

Pre fight with Vitali Lewis made statements, that he wanted a rematch with Tyson, and had about 3 fights left in him. At one time he tried to take Tyson to court so a rematch would happen, claiming that Tyson was costing him money by not rematching him. At one point he went to court to try and get Vitali's no.1 WBC position stripped.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Why are you so confident Lewis would lose a rematch? An out of shape Lewis held his own against Vitali.
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You know what, you are right! Now that I look at this picture I realize that Vitali is garbage! If this is what a retired Lewis did to him, I cannot imagine what Rahman (the man who KOed the **** out of Lewis when Lewis was in a much better shape) do to Vitali

How about a 1 Bil Bet now?!
I take Vitali of course.

Either be a man and bet your little punany ass, or STFU!

[Bozo_no no]

LOL You really have to be one of the biggest asses to exist on a forum.

Sanders was 38, overweight and coming out of a 10 month lay off, and yet he managed to put up the best show of his entire career, by stunning Vitali a couple of times, going 8 rounds with the future heavyweight champ and not once hitting the canvas. Theres no other fight where u can tell me Sanders achieved the same results fighting a top competitor. (Other than Wladimir Klitschko who was no.1 contender).

And whose everyone that said Williams was a fringe contendeR? After a couple of months you will be saying that everyone new that Peter was a fringe contender, and totally forget that he was a a 3-1 favorite. Williams was a 4-1 underdog.

Wanna talk about fringe contenders? When Lewis fought Rahman, Rahman was a 25-1 underdog. When he fought Tyson he started off as a 15-1 favorite, but odds later dropped to 8-1, in reality he was a 50-1 favorite. When he fought Frans Botha he was I believe a 20-1 favorite. Last person he fought who was "THOUGHT" to be a close competitor was Michael Grant, and he turned out to be the biggest flop of the last decade. Same thing with David Tua, although Lewis was also in my estimates a huge favorite.

Blaming Vitali for fighting fighters where the odds are very close is pathetic by your own reasoning.

You are beyond help.

Of all the nut huggers you are far and away the most deluded.

NOTHING you can say changes theses facts:

Vitali Klitschko LOST to the two best fighters he faced in Lennox Lewis and Chris Byrd.

Vitali's biggest wins in his entire career are over Larry Donald and Kirk Johnson

Vitali is at present 1 of 4 title holders, having won his belt agaisnt an out of shape inacitve fringe contender and having defended it once agasint another fringe contender in Danny Williams.

Thus, he's got an overall weak resume, has lost to the two best fighters he's fought, and is unacomplished as a title holder.

You can do all the crying and sugar coating you want.

You just sound like a bitter and wounded little girl.

[Enayze]

You are beyond help.

Of all the nut huggers you are far and away the most deluded.

NOTHING you can say changes theses facts:

Vitali Klitschko LOST to the two best fighters he faced in Lennox Lewis and Chris Byrd.

Vitali's biggest wins in his entire career are over Larry Donald and Kirk Johnson

Vitali is at present 1 of 4 title holders, having won his belt agaisnt an out of shape inacitve fringe contender and having defended it once agasint another fringe contender in Danny Williams.

Thus, he's got an overall weak resume, has lost to the two best fighters he's fought, and is unacomplished as a title holder.

You can do all the crying and sugar coating you want.

You just sound like a bitter and wounded little girl.

Lol I sound like a bitter wonded girl? You sound like a pointless dubmass.

You can't dispute the facts I listed. Yeah Vitali lost to Lewis and BYrd, Injuries are sometimes a little more serious than winning a fight, therefore a fight must be stopped,, either by a doctor or corner. Either way it wasn' the opponent who stopped the fight.

You make fun of Kirk Johnson, Danny Williams, Larry DOnald, Vaughn Bean, and Corrie Sanders, but they arent any worse than Oquendo, Golota, Tua, Holyfield, Meehan, Krasniqi, or Mc'Cline.

[Bozo_no no]

Lol I sound like a bitter wonded girl? You sound like a pointless dubmass.

You can't dispute the facts I listed. Yeah Vitali lost to Lewis and BYrd, Injuries are sometimes a little more serious than winning a fight, therefore a fight must be stopped,, either by a doctor or corner. Either way it wasn' the opponent who stopped the fight.

You make fun of Kirk Johnson, Danny Williams, Larry DOnald, Vaughn Bean, and Corrie Sanders, but they arent any worse than Oquendo, Golota, Tua, Holyfield, Meehan, Krasniqi, or Mc'Cline.

You don't get it.

When Kirk Johnson and Larry Donald are the HIGH POINTS on your resume, it's a weak one.

And you can make whatever excuses you want, Lewis and Byrd are the two best fighters he's fought, and he LOST both fights.

So AGAIN, he's LOST to the two best fighters he's faced, and has his crowning achievment wins over Larry Donald and Kirk Johnson.

That's meidocrity.

There is still room to improve, but fighting two fringe contenders in nearly two years and then following it up with a fight against Rahman really leaves the clock ticking.

At 34 years old with the resume he has, the only way he comes even close to having someone using the word 'great' in regards to him as a fighter is if he steps up and unifies the titles.

Sugar coating his past doesn't work. It is what it is, and the only thing that's going to make a case for him being anything more than an average title holder is if he makes some noise in the next few years.

[DiegoFuego]

I don't think anyone can beat Vitali at tihs points
And same goes for Wlad after Wlad gets two more tune-ups!

L O L

[Manny_P]

Vitali should fight Brewster and get KTFO. I bet his fans would say he got druged. LOL!

[INFIGHT]

I don't think anyone can beat Vitali at tihs points
And same goes for Wlad after Wlad gets two more tune-ups!

Uhhhhh.......maybe we can start saying that when one of these clowns (you can't have two heavyweight champions) unifies the division, until then there just alphabet pretenders.