Sergio's Hand's Down By His Side vs Floyd?

[intoccabile]

Plenty of boxers have a much better offense than Williams Floyd included. It seems like you are mistaking a high volume of punches for accuracy and timing

I'm not mistaking anything. Avoiding the blender is a much harder thing to do. Floyds timing is good because fighters can't make him MISS. Their is a difference between SLIPPING punches and Making your opponent MISS. martinez doesn't always move his head and force misses. He feints often but when he moves his head, it's timed and he's SLIPPING, not just doing it out of spite.. which is what doesn't work at all against floyd.

People are underestimating his ability to slip punches, on top of that, they aren't respecting his ability to counter off virtually every punch he slips with combinations and they aren't respecting his power either.

In the end, please watch more martinez fights. I don't want to get off topic. On Topic: Martinez puts his hands up quite often.

[GrandpaBernard]

I'm not mistaking anything. Avoiding the blender is a much harder thing to do. Floyds timing is good because fighters can't make him MISS. Their is a difference between SLIPPING punches and Making your opponent MISS. martinez doesn't always move his head and force misses. He feints often but when he moves his head, it's timed and he's SLIPPING, not just doing it out of spite.. which is what doesn't work at all against floyd.

People are underestimating his ability to slip punches, on top of that, they aren't respecting his ability to counter off virtually every punch he slips with combinations and they aren't respecting his power either.

In the end, please watch more martinez fights. I don't want to get off topic. On Topic: Martinez puts his hands up quite often.

No, Tall Paul is incredibly inaccurate and even wings some of his shots

[DLT]

He puts his left hand up all teh time whilst jabbing ETC. Please watch him and Paul Williams in teh first fight, he picked his hands up A LOT. His head movement is top notch though as is his countering ability. if he can avoid the TORNADO that Williams threw at him then I'm sure he'd be fine against the 1 or 2 pot shots floyd will bring at a time.

Show me a fighter floyd has fought who was known for their head movement before we get into teh debate of how floyd makes defensive fighters look not defensive. Ortiz slippd punches pretty well I thought and he isn't defensive at all.

I disagree with your last sentence. Even if Ortiz did, that just had way more to do with Floyd having not fought in 16 months, having like 4 fights in the last 4 years, fighting a Southpaw, and it was early. Sergio is a Southpaw but again, Floyd's going to get more accurate as the fight goes on with him adjusting to the Southpaw style & knocking off the rust

[intoccabile]

No, Tall Paul is incredibly inaccurate and even wings some of his shots

Slip 1 punch, and then slip 20. Tell me what was more a more difficult task. Which required more energy to be exerted and more coordination and reflexes. I'm not calling Paul accurate, but he's throwing a gazillion punches and to say dodging hits that Doc. Oct is swinging at you is easy is wild my dude. Sergio slips what he sees and reacts accordingly. there is no preset pattern to his defense like a lot of fighters, floyd for example.

That oh so skillful pull counter into a slip that he's so master at.. you realize even if you never throw a punch floyd will roll underneath and to the right, right? Hell.. He did it 5 times in the first round against ortiz and didn't slip ANYTHING because Ortiz didn't throw anything. It's all preset stop to create MISSES, it's not an actual 'slip'.

Again, Martinez is damn good at slipping punches. His defense isn't the best, I won't act like he's some defensive wizard in there like Floyd but he's got a damn good defense and he counters off it well. His speed is top notch too. But i repeat.. WE ARE GETTING OFF TOPIC.

It has nothing to do with sergios hands being down. Saying that is the deciding factor in a fight against floyd is hilarious IMO.

[intoccabile]

I disagree with your last sentence. Even if Ortiz did, that just had way more to do with Floyd having not fought in 16 months, having like 4 fights in the last 4 years, fighting a Southpaw, and it was early. Sergio is a Southpaw but again, Floyd's going to get more accurate as the fight goes on with him adjusting to the Southpaw style & knocking off the rust

None the less, floyd is not a 4 fight a year fighter anymore. At this stage, he will always have some type of ring rust against ANY opponent he faces. You have to take that into account. Hell, if ever he fights Martinez or Pacman he may have a 16 month lay off to shake against them as well.

[slicksouthpaw16]

this is the perfect example of sergiosexuals.

they only started watching boxing after they saw Steroidgio KO Williams. they probably saw it on YouTube and now they're all over the messageboards.

how can anyone in their right mind compare Floyd's resume w/ Steroidgio who...

1. Has a draw against a 7-34 fighter
2. Lost to Margarito
3. Lost to Williams
4. Has fought an endless list of bums

say what you want about ****ty referees or ****ty judging, but floyd or pac would never ever ever ever ever ever ever eek out a draw against a 7-34 fighter.

No response? That's because Martinez has never had a draw with a 7-34 fighter, and where you found that at is beyond me. And Castillo had lost 4 ( 3 by KO) fights when he went in against Floyd, yet that doesn't stop the majority of people from thinking it was a highway robbery.

[Pacquiao'd]

Thanks for proving my point, that's shows that Floyd priced himself out of a challenge. Why demand 8 million for Margarito and only get 5 mil for Judah? Is it because Judah would be a cake walk and Margarito is a threat? :bukkake:

No. It's called getting paid what you feel you deserve.and is worth. He didnt ask for more money to fight marg. He said he wanted more for future fighter and called out the fighters yall claim he ducked

[DLT]

None the less, floyd is not a 4 fight a year fighter anymore. At this stage, he will always have some type of ring rust against ANY opponent he faces. You have to take that into account. Hell, if ever he fights Martinez or Pacman he may have a 16 month lay off to shake against them as well.

That is true. I think Floyd was going to stop Ortiz anyways in a few rounds but I wouldve liked for that to happen that way because he needs the rounds

[mushahadeen]

No. It's called getting paid what you feel you deserve.and is worth. He didnt ask for more money to fight marg. He said he wanted more for future fighter and called out the fighters yall claim he ducked

the difference is...

Floyd passed on Margarito for fighters that brought equal or more revenue.

Steroidgio passed on Pirog, Bute, etc. for........BARKER THE GOAT FARMER???

[Pacquiao'd]

You know boxing isn't how it used to be when a fighter cries and demands for a few more millions and not care about his history or giving the fans meaningful fights. Ali didn't care how much he made, he just loved fighting. I remember an interview before the Holmes fight. The interviewer suggested that he should be making tons of money for the fight and Ali said "that doesn't matter, i just wanna be the 4 time heavyweight champion".

Well. Theses arent the old days. Fighter are smarter now and realize they need to make sure their finances are right