Everytime this is posted Floyd fans disappear

[big paulie]

Watch what you say about my son, and Shane Mosley Jr, those two just had a fight on the 17th unlike you we do boxing

We do boxing. Gay.

[Dudley]

The reality is Lets Go is not one of the commands

Here is the protocal from that link The bold is my arguement
http://abcboxing.com/documents/ABC_R...GUIDELINES.pdf

POINT DEDUCTION MECHANICS
1. Secure a safe distance and assume a centered position to the boxers.
2. Command “Time!”Assure that the boxers are completely apart.
3. Usher the offended boxer to a neutral corner.
4. Stand in front of the offending boxer, without turning your back on the other boxer, and advise him or her
of the foul. Assure that the offending boxer understood the admonishment.
5. Notify the Judges of the point deduction and type of foul.
6. Again caution the boxer for the infraction.
7. Call time back in.
8. Have boxing resume immediately

He NEVER Called TIME IN he said lets go, now from the same rule book here are the commands english and spanish

The point is, be careful what words you use. If you are not fluent in the language, you may strongly
consider detailing simple English commands in the Dressing Room and using them in the ring.
BREAK - Although universal, you may also get your message across by saying “FUERA!” (FOO-AY-RA)
or “SALGA LIMPIO!” (SAL-GAH LEEM-PEE-OH) Most Spanish boxers will understand both of these
commands.

HEADBUTT - If a headbutt occurred or there is a danger that a headbutt will occur you may say :
“CABEZA!” (KA-BAY-SSAH) or “CUIDADO CON LA CABEZA!” (KWEE-DA-DOE KOHN LA KA-BAYSSAH)

PUNCH OUT OR LET HIM GO - “SUELTELO!” (SUE-EL-TAY-LO) or “DEJELO SALIR!” (DEH-HAY-LO
SAH-LEER)

LOW BLOW - “GOLPE BAJO!” (GOL-PAY BAH-HOE) or “MAS ARRIBA!” (MAHS A-REE-BAH)

PUNCH BACK - The Referee is not a Second, but if you feel you have to, the best way is to say it is,
“TIRE GOLPES!” (TEE-RAY GOL-PAYS)

STOP PUNCHING - “NO TIRE!” (NO TEE-RAY) or “NO TIRE GOLPES!” (NO TEE-RAY GOL-PAYS)

STOP HOLDING - In Spanish the best command would be, “SUELTELO!” (SUE-EL-TAY-LO) This implies
that the boxer is holding and that you want him to stop.

STOP - “PARE!” (PAH-RAY)

DON’T DO THAT - “NO HAGAS ESO!” (NO AGAS AYY-SO)

I dont see lets go in that list and again from the same rule book the rules again in which they fought under

2. Verbal Commands and Hand Signals
A strong sense of proper movement and positioning, verbal commands and hand signals, separate great
Referees from the average ones. Establish your commands and signals in the Dressing Room.
Go over breaking or separating the boxers, specific commands of the major fouls, etc.

As important as this is, the sport continues to have problems due to poor mechanics that lead to negative
situations for the sport.
It means nothing to a boxer or the sport if the Referee thinks one thing and everyone else another.
Everyone must be on the same page. You do not need to reinvent the wheel.
Again if we are to look at the rules clearly Cortez ****ed this fight up and did not follow the rules that he is required to by federal law


Now dispute that......
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Props to your Boys in your Sig.

I ask you this, I Box too BTW. Cortez Made the same statement every-time he broke the fighters. "Lets go" every-time there is video proof of that. I'm not debating the rules with you. Once a pattern is set why would you be looking for something different to be said. He separated the fighters Ortiz came to Mayweather Cortez called lets go and then looked at the timer to get the fight started. that's exactly what went down.

So why did Ortiz wait to hear something different?

The actual reality is if Ortiz never head butted mayweather none of this would be an issue. none of it. But he did. and now we debate all the semantics.

Fact no but ortiz might have done something. fact!

I'm a fan of boxing and i have Ortiz on my FB as well as mayweather. The reality is the same no headbutt we could have had a special fight.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

Are you ******? Cortez used the phrase "lets go" throughout the entire fight & Ortiz seemed to have heard him then. Seems Ortiz developed selective hearing.

What's your comeback to that?

And where did I attack your son you ******? Btw I hope your a better coach/trainer than you are a debater because if not; I think your kid needs to find a new trainer. Maybe Roger Mayweather could help; you know they don't lose lol.

Again insulting me rather than debating me head on like a man is a clear sign that your desperately trying to claim victory here.
The rules state that all parties must be on the same page, if he was to use lets go as a command according to those rules, that should have been told to Ortiz in the dressing room.
So then why is it that Ortiz, was looking for the command time in and box? Obviously Cortez did not do his job right in addressing the commands he would be using for the fight.

Hand signals are not always going to be effective simply because during a fight your not going to be looking at the ref your going to be looking at whos hitting you.

Again insult me again, my kid would never train with the likes of a mayweather as our style is to seek and destroy and Rogers just doesnt fit that style we love to fight win lose or draw we love to give a good show...

Props to your Boys in your Sig.

I ask you this, I Box too BTW. Cortez Made the same statement every-time he broke the fighters. "Lets go" every-time there is video proof of that. I'm not debating the rules with you. Once a pattern is set why would you be looking for something different to be said. He separated the fighters Ortiz came to Mayweather Cortez called lets go and then looked at the timer to get the fight started. that's exactly what went down.

So why did Ortiz wait to hear something different?

The actual reality is if Ortiz never head butted mayweather none of this would be an issue. none of it. But he did. and now we debate all the semantics.

Fact no but ortiz might have done something. fact!

I'm a fan of boxing and i have Ortiz on my FB as well as mayweather. The reality is the same no headbutt we could have had a special fight.

Ortiz was not clearly informed in the dressing room the commands that Cortez would be using thats why, and again when you read them rules it states that all parties must be on the same page, hell even the time keeper didnt know that time was in, Floyd said he never heard Joe say box or call time in what more proof do you need?

I agree with you in regards to the butt had Ortiz not done that this wouldnt be a factor, but it is what it is... and it still does not change the rules

[King_Lukas]

From where I sat I saw two guys breaking the code of sport and an incompetent ref.

It happens a lot nowadays across the sporting world. I see a lot of **** about "its a fight" and "protect yourself at all times" but it has rules and is monitored carefully, indeed the ref is one of these monitors.....you have this kind of thing in a sport. You can see "a fight" in any town center on any Saturday night, its usually a ridiculous skill less load of crap.

I saw a man who despite the odd bout of intriguing aggression was essentially getting beat, he resorted to desperation. The Ref intervened as Floyd held his head and looked totally bamboozled by Ortiz behavoir. The ref deducted a point, brought the fighters together......said lets go and turned away to acknowledge the commissioner as the fighters embraced a little then.....POW right in the kisser as Ortiz stepped back. The ref looks back in time to see a confused Ortiz take a second cheap shot a thudding sick straight right and drop like a sack of potatos.

I have one question.......what the **** was Cortez doing, why wasnt he looking at the fighters? Why didnt he check the commisioner before restarting the fight?

Two culprits one incompetent ref equalling a ruined fight.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

From where I sat I saw two guys breaking the code of sport and an incompetent ref.

It happens a lot nowadays across the sporting world. I see a lot of **** about "its a fight" and "protect yourself at all times" but it has rules and is monitored carefully, indeed the ref is one of these monitors.....you have this kind of thing in a sport. You can see "a fight" in any town center on any Saturday night, its usually a ridiculous skill less load of crap.

I saw a man who despite the odd bout of intriguing aggression was essentially getting beat, he resorted to desperation. The Ref intervened as Floyd held his head and looked totally bamboozled by Ortiz behavoir. The ref deducted a point, brought the fighters together......said lets go and turned away to acknowledge the commissioner as the fighters embraced a little then.....POW right in the kisser as Ortiz stepped back. The ref looks back in time to see a confused Ortiz take a second cheap shot a thudding sick straight right and drop like a sack of potatos.

I have one question.......what the **** was Cortez doing, why wasnt he looking at the fighters? Why didnt he check the commisioner before restarting the fight?

Two culprits one incompetent ref equalling a ruined fight.

Cortez was asked by the time keeper if time was in, there was confusion, I am tellin you and you can hear him at that point while looking at the time keeper he says "time, time in" exactly like that and as he said that the left hook had already landed and the right hand was on its way.

You are not supposed to call time in with out the fighters being seperated, officially time was in when Cortez was looking at the time keeper un officially time was in according to the fans when He said lets go....

However if lets go really did indicate that time was in, why was he debating if time was in with the time keeper?

Cortez dropped the ball here, and I am sure his co workers, Keith Kaizer, and Bayless who have said he did nothing wrong felt bad for him because he just lost his mother that same day.

[Dudley]

Again insulting me rather than debating me head on like a man is a clear sign that your desperately trying to claim victory here.
The rules state that all parties must be on the same page, if he was to use lets go as a command according to those rules, that should have been told to Ortiz in the dressing room.
So then why is it that Ortiz, was looking for the command time in and box? Obviously Cortez did not do his job right in addressing the commands he would be using for the fight.

Hand signals are not always going to be effective simply because during a fight your not going to be looking at the ref your going to be looking at whos hitting you.

Again insult me again, my kid would never train with the likes of a mayweather as our style is to seek and destroy and Rogers just doesnt fit that style we love to fight win lose or draw we love to give a good show...




Ortiz was not clearly informed in the dressing room the commands that Cortez would be using thats why, and again when you read them rules it states that all parties must be on the same page, hell even the time keeper didnt know that time was in, Floyd said he never heard Joe say box or call time in what more proof do you need?

I agree with you in regards to the butt had Ortiz not done that this wouldnt be a factor, but it is what it is... and it still does not change the rules

They where on the same page till Ortiz left his corner to go hug floyd. Fact.

Why would you be looking to hear something different when he's been saying lets go for the entirety of the fight. go back and look for yourself. the breaks them then he says lets go. and Ortiz fought then then why all of a sudden does it change this situation. Why are you looking to hear something different Ortiz???

The fault is on Ortiz. 100%

I like the dude but he ****ed up and needs to deal with it.

[P4P_No1]

Again insulting me rather than debating me head on like a man is a clear sign that your desperately trying to claim victory here.
The rules state that all parties must be on the same page, if he was to use lets go as a command according to those rules, that should have been told to Ortiz in the dressing room.
So then why is it that Ortiz, was looking for the command time in and box? Obviously Cortez did not do his job right in addressing the commands he would be using for the fight.

Hand signals are not always going to be effective simply because during a fight your not going to be looking at the ref your going to be looking at whos hitting you.

Again insult me again, my kid would never train with the likes of a mayweather as our style is to seek and destroy and Rogers just doesnt fit that style we love to fight win lose or draw we love to give a good show...




Ortiz was not clearly informed in the dressing room the commands that Cortez would be using thats why, and again when you read them rules it states that all parties must be on the same page, hell even the time keeper didnt know that time was in, Floyd said he never heard Joe say box or call time in what more proof do you need?

I agree with you in regards to the butt had Ortiz not done that this wouldnt be a factor, but it is what it is... and it still does not change the rules

If that is the case, why did Ortiz know what to do on the 6/7 other occasions when Cortez said "lets go"? Your argument regarding that is invalid.

If Ortiz chose to listen to him on those 6/7 occasions he can't use that as an excuse for the way the fight ended can he. Can you see the logic behind that? Or are you going to go off on another tangent?

[x3_bazooka_x3]

They where on the same page till Ortiz left his corner to go hug floyd. Fact.

Why would you be looking to hear something different when he's been saying lets go for the entirety of the fight. go back and look for yourself. the breaks them then he says lets go. and Ortiz fought then then why all of a sudden does it change this situation. Why are you looking to hear something different???

The fault is on Ortiz. 100%

I like the dude but he ****ed up and needs to deal with it.

I disagree, when you call time, and the time keeper stops the clock, you make sure that the clock is started before you say lets go or Box, there is a protocal that has to be followed and it wasnt.

Again proof is in Cortezs speaking with the time keeper while Floyd cheap shotted Ortiz.

And further proof is in the post fight presser, When Floyd admitted he never heard Cortez say anything and that what goes around comes around he basicly admits that he did not hear a command to box and that he retaliated.

if that doesnt spell it out for you then I have no idea what will, its funny how Fans tend to grasp every word the man says when he is talking money and *****es adn 50 yet when he admits to something like not hearing Cortez say time in and that what goes around comes around they ignore that....

Funny how the *****s work, I thought *******s were bad, but honestly *****s just seem to always take the cake

[BennyST]

You either havent a ****ing clue, or you just love Floyd that much, I say its a mix of both.
The bottom line is, All parties must be on the same page, as stated in the rules, meaning all must be in tune with terms that will be used to command the fight.
That did not happen how much more proof do you need? Clearly Ortiz thought time was called...

The time keeper was confused as well when Cortez said lets go.... which is why he was talking to him when the cheap shots went down..

And mayweather at the post fight presser said he didnt hear Cortez say lets go or Box, what the **** does that tell you? I mean your own boy is saying he never heard him.....

Again what does that mean?

Surely you are not that thick? I mean, come on, really? So, had they been on a different page every other time they broke and Cortez told them "Let's go" and they fought? Was that just something else?

Every other time Cortez used that term, and he did throughout the whole fight, was Ortiz not understanding it when he started fighting again? If you are going to talk about being on the same page, you need to be on the same page. The command that both Mayweather and Ortiz had been getting from Cortez all night was "Let's go" and Ortiz had been on the same page the whole night. Grow the **** up.

Face it buddy, it's got nothing to do with rules etc and everything about trying to find a way to discredit whatever it is you're trying to discredit.

Why is it this fight in particular you're jumping on? Every fight has things like this in it. Watch any other fight and you'll see the same ****. Why are you not *****ing about them with essay length posts? Get over it.

[Dudley]

If that is the case, why did Ortiz know what to do on the 6/7 other occasions when Cortez said "lets go"? Your argument regarding that is invalid.

If Ortiz chose to listen to him on those 6/7 occasions he can't use that as an excuse for the way the fight ended can he. Can you see the logic behind that? Or are you going to go off on another tangent?

100% accurate! Ortiz ****ed it up.