Name Euro fighters who were not frauds

[Scott9945]

Flashback to 1995: Peter McNeely isn't a fraud, there are 30 KO victims who could testify to it......oh wait.....

Poet

McNeely never beat a rated heavyweight. It's hardly a valid comparison.

[Poet682006]

McNeely never beat a rated heavyweight. It's hardly a valid comparison.

And the Klits have beaten a bunch of guys who didn't deserve to be rated......same difference.

Poet

[Scott9945]

They aren't a single entity, and pointing to irrelevant statistics like KO numbers does not disqualify them from being frauds, in fact a lot of fighters who are frauds have very high KO numbers.

Yes, but a fraud couldn't dominate an entire division for 7-8 years (and counting). A fraud is a protected fighter. The only person who claimed that either Klitschko ducked him was James Toney. And nobody wanted to see that. You don't have to call them great, but the whole concept of this thread is pretty insulting IMO.

[deansluk]

calzaghe would of held his own with most imho , he adapted so well mid fight , lennox , benn eubank , hamed was a fraud with power ...khan is chinny as hell , but i think only mayweather could outpoint him ,everyone else would have to ko him . Vitali klitschko has an iron chin , good power and ****** height and reach , i think hes a handful for anybody! kirkland laing was a talented british boxer who never trained , theres more than a few . i forgot about froch as well !

[Scott9945]

And the Klits have beaten a bunch of guys who didn't deserve to be rated......same difference.

Poet

No, as you well know, it isn't. They have scored their KO's in world title fights and McNeely scored his in club fights. It's called a different class of opposition.

And if the guys who they beat didn't deserve to be rated, who should have been rated above them? Were those guys ducked?

[Poet682006]

No, as you well know, it isn't. They have scored their KO's in world title fights and McNeely scored his in club fights. It's called a different class of opposition.

And if the guys who they beat didn't deserve to be rated, who should have been rated above them? Were those guys ducked?

At this point the Heavyweight division is so bad the top-10 rankings should be left blank until someone actually worthy of a ranking comes along. Basically the losers in today's top-10 are club level talent fighters.

Poet

[Scott9945]

At this point the Heavyweight division is so bad the top-10 rankings should be left blank until someone actually worthy of a ranking comes along. Basically the losers in today's top-10 are club level talent fighters.

Poet

That would be your opinion, not mine. But let me phrase this differently. Of all the fighters who were KO'd in title fights by either brother, which ones would you pick Peter McNeely to beat? A prime McNeely, of course.

[RubenSonny]

Yes, but a fraud couldn't dominate an entire division for 7-8 years (and counting). A fraud is a protected fighter. The only person who claimed that either Klitschko ducked him was James Toney. And nobody wanted to see that. You don't have to call them great, but the whole concept of this thread is pretty insulting IMO.

The fact that you are still referring to them as on entity says a lot. There is nothing specially about the top 2 fighters of a division never facing off but instead beating up on a sorry ass crop of competition. Vitali has never been champion and took a fight with frigging Shannon Briggs.

[Poet682006]

That would be your opinion, not mine. But let me phrase this differently. Of all the fighters who were KO'd in title fights by either brother, which ones would you pick Peter McNeely to beat? A prime McNeely, of course.

They're pretty much all Peter McNeely level detritus. This is the worst I've ever seen the Heavyweight division. The feces floating around the bowl today make the obese cokeheads of the '80s look like world beaters instead of the bottom feeders they were.

Poet

[Scott9945]

The fact that you are still referring to them as on entity says a lot. There is nothing specially about the top 2 fighters of a division never facing off but instead beating up on a sorry ass crop of competition. Vitali has never been champion and took a fight with frigging Shannon Briggs.

I'm not sure about the significance of referring to them as an entity, but whatever. They are obviously working in tandem as the situation dictates. Are you suggesting that they should fight each other? Joe Louis fought one inferior opponent after another in title defenses, yet he escapes scorn for how miserable the division was during his reign. He was fortunate to be able to build a solid resume when he was a contender.

Vitali won the vacant WBC title (held by Lewis) from Corrie Sanders. Every fight he has had since has been for that title. In the world we live in now, that makes him as much of a champion as WBC welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather is today.