Was Barrera as great as jrosales13 says he is?

[Kagami Taiga]

a poster had a gif as his Sig.

when I saw it I thought to myself "what Marquez fight was that?" I came to a conclusion it was a younger Marquez.... until I realized it was Finito, he even had the lead right uppercut and everything exactly like Marquez.

you can defiantly tell they were trained by Nacho....

finito could do things that even marquez cant do. the thing that separates the two imo is finito's power, i think he has more p4p and his ability to space his opponents. only person ive seen who's so good at is as finito in recent history is floyd. he knew how to make u miss whilst at the time being able to hit at the same time. and he stood literally rite in front of u but u were still either swinging thru him or ur punches were too short. probably one of the most skilled fighters ive ever seen.

[Kagami Taiga]

Roger Mayweather was right. The above comment is proof that most of the fans here don't know **** about boxing.

First of all, the best Mexican boxer since JCC was DEFINITELY Ricardo Lopez. Lopez could possibly be the best Mexican fighter EVER to lace up. Marquez, Barrera and Morales don't even come close, but people who talk instead of knowing say ignorant **** like that.

If "great" is a term that we give to anybody who puts on an awesome fight, then Mickey Ward is an all time "great" in some of your eyes. Ricardo Mayorga, who knocked out the man who handed a prime Shane Mosley his first loss, is great in some of YOUR eyes. Frankie Randall, who beat JCC, is an ATG in some of YOUR eyes.

"Great" is too strong a word to throw around. It diminishes the accomplishments of the sports elite. Barrera and Morales haven't won against top opposition. They don't warrant be called great. They're definitely good, but look at their records.

Some of you morons act as if I'm asking you to take my word for it.

These men FAILED every time they fought someone who was championship material.

I don't understand how someone is great at what they do when they cannot compete and win at the top of their given sport.

Most of the forum members here must have grown up playing in those soccer games where they don't keep score so that everybody is a winner. This is boxing. The best are the ones who have beaten the best and have had longevity at the top against the best.

Anything else is good or just impressive.

i didnt count lopez because i really consider him a contemporary of jcc and even tho i think hes more skilled, i also think he doesnt have as good a resume as the other guys. u cant honestly pick apart barerras resume and then tell me the greatest out of them was lopez. that makes no sense.

as for the other stuff...well if u think so...all i see is a nonsensical wall of text that touts your superiority over other posters. wats the point of that?

[Kagami Taiga]

Daniel Zaragoza ?

nowhere near as impressive as the other two. zara was clearly past it by that time. thats like ppl giving calzaghe a lot of credit for the eubank win.

[goblin213]

Who did Lopez beat then that makes him better than Barrera?

[Brother Jay]

Daniel Zaragoza ?

LOL ... and your point is?

Are you claiming that Zaragoza is a noteworthy fighter worthy of being mentioned when discussing what top level competition Morales beat?

Did you actually take a look at his record and see who the man has fought and beaten?

LOL .. that was a good one, Goblin!

[LeG00N]

Who did Lopez beat then that makes him better than Barrera?

I'm not sure anyone is claiming Finito was greater (maybe they did)

but IMO he was better skill wise his stance and fighting style was perfect.

[Brother Jay]

IMHO this is the best reply for this whole thread...tsk tsk

That's because its the only response that your limited mind can understand.

Simply things amuse simple minds.

[Evil Abed]

He's even greater.

MAB was great fighter.

[gayfish]

Okay Maniac310. You and I have no beef.

Why don't YOU try to explain what made Barrera supposedly "GREAT" and opposed to just "good"?

Saying how you feel is different than explaining why what you feel is likely true.

There has to be REASONS.

Saying "I feel that so and so is great" is an opinion. That's fine, but I'm asking people to justify their opinions.

Maybe you should look up Barrera's record and tell us what exactly he did that was great.

Fighting one fighter in your career DOES NOT MAKE YOU GREAT. His trilogy with Barrera DID NOT MAKE HIM GREAT.

Why?

Because a career is about more than being able to beat one guy. Ray Robinson is the greatest of all time, but not because of his fights with Lamotta! Sure, those fights add to the totality of his greatness, but they are not the totality itself!

Barrera failed nearly every time he faced an opponent that had world champion level skills! You cannot debate this!

He lost to Junior Jones TWICE! Does anyone here remember that Barrera was ready to hang them up over that? Once could have been luck, but twice?

Same **** happened to Morales when he faced Zahir Raheem. Raheem EASILY outboxed Morales and Morales wanted no more of him. In fact, Pacquiao should have faced Raheem as he was the champion, but instead chose to face Morales who had been thoroughly defeated by a dark horse who should have NEVER won in the first place .. especially in the easy manner that he did! He won all 12 rounds!

I'm just waiting for people to come up with legitimate reasons as to why a man who did little and failed nearly every time at the top of the game is "great". He's no club fighter or journeyman, but Barrera is hardly elite. He's about as good as Demarcus "Chop Chop" Corley.

We can discuss Morales as well. Morales' whole claim to fame is that he holds 1 win over Barrera and one win over Pacquiao. To call Morales "great" after he got blasted twice by Pacquiao, dominated by Zahir Raheem and then defeated by David Diaz and Maidana is equally as ridiculous.

Who has Morales beaten that's worth mentioning outside of Pacquiao and Barrera? He's had the opportunities just like Barrera, but when they step up to the guys who can really fight or really box they LOSE.

I'm willing to entertain the idea that I've overlooked something. I'm not stubborn. I just like for **** to make sense.

he defeated injin chi, paulie ayala, carlos hernandez, molina espadas jr and junior jones. that craps over floyds resume.

[Kagami Taiga]

he defeated injin chi, paulie ayala, carlos hernandez, molina espadas jr and junior jones. that craps over floyds resume.

dont start strugg...ur ruining a pretty good discussion. and btw u do kno floyd beat the same carlos hernandez first rite? so why include him?