Roach ''Mayweather Looked Terrible''

[x3_bazooka_x3]

THIS is when i stopped reading.......

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL................

dude, u make no sense.

I am not here to try and convince the pretty boys, I am simply stating what I see, being active in the sport myself, looking at the way things went down from my eyes is a little different from the couch potato experts eyes....

Again when is the last time you have seen Mayweather throw 50 shots per round?

[BillyBoxing]

floyd wouldn't fight manny toe to toe......but he wouldn't run ether..........pacs offensive weapons are actually overrated. mayweather would stand right in front of pac & counter him repeatedly behind his shield (he'll throw many punches through out the fight while doing it too)

you have to remember that mosley knows little to nothing about countering effectively, using a jab, & moving.....& he still off set pacs volume. pac couldn't land a decent combination in that fight at all.........the key punch for mayweather against pac will be the jab. they will work mayweathers jab to death in training...........roger even said it before.

picture mayweather behind his shield throwing 4 & 5 accurate jabs at a time to pacs face & body. he'll then start to counter pac with power shots..........the key to beat a fighter like pac is a stiff smashing jab...........

can pac do better then ortiz?......it really depends............the reason i say this is because pacs reach is SO MUCH less then mayweathers when compared to ortiz. pac would have to run in without defense & reach upwards with his shots.........this alone takes a WOLAPE out of a fighter.

I agree, Pac's short reach is his weakness against Floyd.

Pacs offensive weapons aren't overrated, C'mon dude. Dude is a destroyer, Mosley said he never saw speed and powa like that, I trust the old man.

Sure Pac is a slugger, but he's much more dangerous than Mosley or Ortiz.

Ortiz is a southpaw, taller than Pac, but C'mon, Pac is a way better fighter

Ortiz and Peterson fought a draw last year, he beat Berto in a competitve fight where he tasted the canevas twice, Berto to me is an average fighter, Ortiz talented and that's it, weak ass, he's a poor man Fernando Vargas, dude didn't deserve a shot against Floyd.

Pacs defense isn't that bad, I mean, Cotto, Margo, Clottey and Mosley couldn't land **** on Manny.

Ortiz is a bum compared to Pac, Pac is much more elusive, smart, experienced, balled, chinned, tough, speedy, strong than Ortiz.

How can you doubt about Pac doing better than Ortiz????

I can't believe how Pac is viewed as a bum by some boxing ffans out there, dude is a freak.

[Kagami Taiga]

the funny think is ppl actually think its ortiz who was coming on. it wasnt. floyd was getting sharper and closer with his punches as time went on. not to metion, floyd always gets better as the fight goes on. ortiz, not so much. this is the best ive seen floyd look in the early rounds of a fight. if ppl think he was in trouble, they obviously havent seen many floyd fights nor do they kno how the man works.

[BillyBoxing]

You can hate him that's ok but c'mon...

A Hall of Famer trainer calls a legal punch cheap - but wants to see headbutts???

I don't care if he likes him or not what is that?

Well, I like Roach, but he often talks ****, dude is pure bias.

[BillyBoxing]

the funny think is ppl actually think its ortiz who was coming on. it wasnt. floyd was getting sharper and closer with his punches as time went on. not to metion, floyd always gets better as the fight goes on. ortiz, not so much. this is the best ive seen floyd look in the early rounds of a fight. if ppl think he was in trouble, they obviously havent seen many floyd fights nor do they kno how the man works.

Ortiz looked scared, the event was too big for him and his amateur crew.

But I thought he was starting to let his hands go in the 4th round, sure mayweather was beating that boy up.

[BattleAxePurist]

From his weekly Boxing News UK Column. Some of HIS OWN quotes.

-He says it was a cheap shot, but Ortiz was being to apologetic

-He said Victor maybe should of even give Floyd another headbutt, he says thats how to beat Floyd take him out of his game & rough him up.

-He said you could see Floyd crying & complaining but its a phyiscal game

-He also says Manny & Khan both take him out

If this be the case then styles make fights and even though i'd favor Khan over Bradley when it comes down to it Bradley gives Floyd Jr a tougher fight bcse he's much stronger physically can roughouse is a better in fighter and has a better chin he'll take the fight to Floyd Jr.

[eazy_duzzit10]

Roach has been planning this headbutting stuff for a long time, that's why Manny's head has grown so much

[Kagami Taiga]

If this be the case then styles make fights and even though i'd favor Khan over Bradley when it comes down to it Bradley gives Floyd Jr a tougher fight bcse he's much stronger physically can roughouse is a better in fighter and has a better chin he'll take the fight to Floyd Jr.

i agree with this. i think the bradley fight would go some where similar to the hatton fight, which was the toughest fight floyd had in some years, proly since the castillo fight.

[Drunk Punch]

I thought Floyd looked fantastic, his timing and accuracy were still incredible and it was great to see him stepping forward and trying his best to put on a show. He only looked uncomfortable in the 4th for a short period when Ortiz was throwing wild bombs and losing his cool. If the fight had went on, we would have seen a clinic by Floyd or we would have seen Ortiz get himself DQ'd. Either way, the chump punch ending was pretty entertaining and no less than Ortiz deserved really.

[americanbot]

I agree, Pac's short reach is his weakness against Floyd.

Pacs offensive weapons aren't overrated, C'mon dude. Dude is a destroyer, Mosley said he never saw speed and powa like that, I trust the old man.

Sure Pac is a slugger, but he's much more dangerous than Mosley or Ortiz.

Ortiz is a southpaw, taller than Pac, but C'mon, Pac is a way better fighter

Ortiz and Peterson fought a draw last year, he beat Berto in a competitve fight where he tasted the canevas twice, Berto to me is an average fighter, Ortiz talented and that's it, weak ass, he's a poor man Fernando Vargas, dude didn't deserve a shot against Floyd.

Pacs defense isn't that bad, I mean, Cotto, Margo, Clottey and Mosley couldn't land **** on Manny.

Ortiz is a bum compared to Pac, Pac is much more elusive, smart, experienced, balled, chinned, tough, speedy, strong than Ortiz.

How can you doubt about Pac doing better than Ortiz????

I can't believe how Pac is viewed as a bum by some boxing ffans out there, dude is a freak.

the reason that I'm not sure if pac would do better against mayweather vs ortiz is REACH. mayweather can easily fight like he's super duper tall. he already has twice the reach as manny.......mayweather knows how to control distance & time opponents perfectly from the outside. THIS IS WHY I DON'T KNOW......pac could end up eating a jab to death & getting countered.

heres pac down fall in my book.....HE DOESN'T USE A JAB, this is suicidal because a shorter smaller armed fighter like pac will need a jab to keep track of mayweather when he leaps in......other wise he'll just be leaping in recklessly with his chin in the air..........it's better to leap in behind a jab so that you don't get timed & caught over & over again. mayweather is very quick himself so pac will find many of his shots missing.

Cotto busted mannys ear drum & busted up his face.......cotto did hit pac.

marg busted up mannys face & ripped his body. marg did hit him (although marg had just come from being knocked out & 2 year lay off)

clotteys straight rights & uppercuts landed all night........

many people are picking manny to win solely by emotion......

I've tried to play it out a thousands times how pac could win & i can't see it.........BILLY BOXING. I REALLY CAN'T SEE IT. the only thing that I can come up with is a lucky knock out punch for pac.

I don't even see how manny will be able to get past mayweathers timing, reflexes, jab, & ability to play the distance game extremely well...........all of this wouldn't be so against manny if he had a jab.

also the STANCE IS ONE OF THE WORST FOR PAC........he's already lost with his stance alone.

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION BILL........manny will be running in with his hands low recklessly (the typical brawler style)........floyd will be standing STRAIGHT UP (like a very tall fighter) & he'll have his legs far apart prepared to leap out of the way of combos.......mayweather will be standing in a way where he can see EVERYTHING that manny is trying to do.......manny will be less aware because of his stance, reach, & size disadvantage (& just running in reckless without a jab)

a JAB would have kept track of mayweather but thats not a option.

i do not see it being a good outcome for manny...........