I think we saw a beatable Floyd

[Carpe Diem]

dude, im not here to argue them guys won vs floyd coz that would be ridiculous. but im sayin floyd gets hit way a lot easier when he's fighting souhtpaws, thus his defense aint as good when he's fighting them. and all the southpaws he fought aint really that good, thats sayin a lot.

Nonetheless, he still outclassed every Southpaws that he has fought. Getting caught with few punches here and there isn't new in Boxing, but people blown things out of proportion and overreacted when Floyd gets hit with few clean shots. Keep believing that his defense isn't good enough against southpaws because he got caught few times against them, each to his own.

[Tulisanto]

Nonetheless, he still outclassed every Southpaws that he has fought. Getting caught with few punches here and there isn't new in Boxing, but people blown things out of proportion and overreacted when Floyd gets hit with few clean shots. Keep believing that his defense isn't good enough against southpaws because he got caught few times against them, each to his own.

not arguing that at all but like i said all of them southpaws were notas good and yet he got hit a lot thus my reason for sayin his defnese aint as good compared to when he's fighting orthodox fighters. i dont have to keep beliveing his defense is flawed vs southpaws coz that is a fact. thats is not a knock on floyd but more of a justfication that styles make fights.

[jaded]

I think Ortiz was very nervous at the start and was only just beginning to come around in the 4th. Although it wasn't really looking good for Ortiz...things might have changed...things in boxing can change with one punch. Roy Jones Jr was winning easy against Denis Lebedev and looked good the whole fight and then with 20 seconds left to go everything changed. Lots of fights look like a lost cause early and then start going the other way. I can't remember being more disappointed in a fight...my head literally dropped into my hand at the end. Nobody can't say that Mayweather may have faded in the end and Ortiz might have got his confidence.

Yes I know all the arguments...in spite of them...I think Floyd could have afforded to let Ortiz put his hands up and given everybody a better show.

[lebrick]

haha. floyd is going to seriously pwn Pac

IF he fights pac..

[Carpe Diem]

not arguing that at all but like i said all of them southpaws were notas good and yet he got hit a lot thus my reason for sayin his defnese aint as good compared to when he's fighting orthodox fighters. i dont have to keep beliveing his defense is flawed vs southpaws coz that is a fact. thats is not a knock on floyd but more of a justfication that styles make fights.

Where's your proof? You based your theory on few clean punches landed, but i based mine on total punches connect percentages. Whenever your opponents connected 19% of their punches, that's good to great defense. If your opponents connect 30% to 35% of his total punches, then your defense isn't good.

[Tulisanto]

Where's your proof? You based your theory on few clean punches landed, but i based mine on total punches connect percentages. Whenever your opponents connected 19% of their punches, that's good to great defense. If your opponents connect 30% to 35% of his total punches, then your defense isn't good.

my proof is mitchell landing a basic 1- 2 vs floyd( end of round 1 or 2). the proof is chop chop landing overhands and left straigfhts at times even busting up floyd's lip ( go back and watch it). the proof is just over the weekned's fight with ortiz with him being able to land varieiteis of punches we dont use to seeing floyd get hit with. it's you guys that's is overrating floyd capablites and not being real about his flaws.

[boxingfan_123]

i dont know i like pac but i was impressed until the cheapshot. he kinda looked like his younger years in that fight he was letting his hands go more often

[Pacquiao'd]

THIS!

Nothing about Floyd's performance against a younger, stronger, heavier, and heavy handed southpaw leads you to believe anything other than he embarasses Pac. Cats are screaming about a bogus 2nd round win for Ortiz (cause Lederman said so) when his land totals were almost doubled by Floyd. Ortiz didn't land a single jab and landed at a 6.5 punches landed/round clip. Add to the fact that this is what a 34 year old man fresh off the couch for 16 months did to him. Pac is in trouble and it's becoming evident with all the feminine threads about Floyd's moral compass. You can't knock the man's game, so now everyone is resorting to calling something legal within the confines of the sport wrong. How can anything be wrong when it's right??

Y'all grasping at straws and the writing is on the wall. This is as close as we've been to a potential show down and these cats are panicing. Everyone is outta the way and in a shrewed move, Floyd opted to keep the belt and pay the sanctioning fees unlike with Shane. Pac is painted into a corner. After JMM, he has to go looking for the man at the division or he's admittedly fighting lesser comp. With Floyd, everybody is a challenger...but with Pac, only Floyd would be the champ. So I hope Manny takes care of JMM and I hope that Sports Illustrated story about the likes of Tim Bradley being on Pac's radar aren't true.

damn this was ether

[Pacquiao'd]

IF pac mans up and fights him..

fixed it for you

[jkaisen41]

In the last few years I have thought that Floyd has looked unbeatable and I have thought that he would beat Pacquiao if they were to fight.

But I dont know if it was a little ring rust or maybe a little bit of father time catching up to Floyd but I thought he looked more vulnerable then he maybe ever has. I think it was round 2 where Ortiz was steadily backing him up all round which was surprising to me. Then that last little flurry where Ortiz landed 2 or 3 clean punches and then turned ignorant by head butting him, I thought that even though Floyd was clearly winning that maybe it would turn in to a little tougher fight coming down the stretch then Floyd would have liked.

I kept thinking that if Ortiz was able to get him against the ropes and land a few shots then maybe Manny has a better shot against him than i thought. Manny with quicker hands and with different angles might be able to land a little more than what Floyd is used.

I dont know, just my thoughts.

Yes, we did... like in every fight but we haven't seen someone who can beat him