GINO ROS' SHOCKER: Victor Ortiz Knocks Out Mayweather

[Kneeguel's Papi]

Swing by Whataburger and get a tray of taquitos... the Fight Day Live on HBO starts early.

I got some repairs to do on Saturday morning, but I should get home by 2pm..... From there on, it is gonna be one, huge, continuous party.....

Damn, I cant wait!!!!

[Brother Jay]

If - IF - the same version of Mayweather that showed up to fight Shane Mosley 16 months ago shows up on Saturday night against a big, young, strong and hungry Victor Ortiz, Floyd will head to the locker room at 41-1, and Ortiz will become the darling of the sport.

Here is why:

I went back and watched the Marquez fight, and the Shane Mosley fight. Twice. In the Marquez fight, JMM landed a couple of hard shots on Floyd early in the fight. You can see here @ 5:23 that Marquez pumps a (throwaway) jab, then lands a good right over the top. Remember that.

Now, fast-forward to the Shane Mosley fight. Remember the first round where Mosley fell? Why did he fall? He threw a bait jab and then Shane tried his Sunday punch over the top and lost his balance, Floyd narrowly slipped it.

Now, second round. Shane AGAIN pumps a throwaway (distraction) jab followed by everything he has into the right hand . At 0:05...

So, Floyd crowds Mosley and has nearly recovered. Shane then AGAIN does the SAME two-piece and catches Floyd at 0:33

So, Mosley went in with that gameplan. To see a fighter doing the same move several times early in a fight tells you it is his gameplan. Think Martinez' left hook that he threw four times until he caught Paul Williams. Using a Mayweather example, think about the check-hook that he hit Hatton with all night. That was Shane's plan. Feint the jab which gets Floyd to react, and bomb away with the right.

Floyd was celebrated for adjusting after he was hurt, but the point is that he never SHOULD have been hurt by that. He SHOULD have seen what Mosley was doing after the first THREE times Shane did it.

Which brings us to Saturday, September 17. There are several factors at play here:

Southpaw Stance: I have seen Floyd get hit hard by nearly every southpaw he has faced. Sharmba hit Floyd flush before Floyd turned southpaw himself. Chop-Chop caught Floyd with a massive looping right that had FMJ go back to the ropes to defend. Zab caught Floyd with a hard, straight left that again had PBF going back to the ropes to defend. So, Floyd's lapses vs. Southpaws are clearly evident.

Early Fight Opportunity: Floyd absolutely takes a few rounds to adjust. PARTICULARLY as he has gotten older and less active. Hatton's movement made Floyd fall off-balance in Round 1, although PBF had slipped the punch. Floyd and Judah got tangled in round 2 and nearly fell, not to mention the glove touching the canvas on another occasion in that fight. Even Marquez was able to land (above). And the Mosley fight (round 2, above) was the most Floyd has ever been hurt, despite what he says.



In summary, the confluence of the factors above tells me that this will be a VERY dangerous fight for an aging Mayweather. And for those who don't believe Floyd is aging, please list the guys in the HISTORY of boxing who are natural SFW'ss/LW's (even JWW's) and are not faded by age 35. Floyd turns 35 in a few months. 35. Inactivity doesn't help againg speed fighters... it hurts them.

Ortiz seems hungry. Motivated. In shape. He has little to lose.

Despite what the oddsmakers and boxing pundits are telling you, the stage is set for an upset here.

... the only question is if Victor will lay it all on the line. He should.

Two things:

First, to say that a pro boxer should never be hit or hurt is ridiculous. Just because Floyd has a terrific defense doesn't make him invulnerable. That speaks volumes as to how good he is. He gets hit in two fights and automatically he's seen as slipping.

How many fighters can say the same? No one is held to that standard.

Second, do you think Ortiz hits harder than Mosley? I don't. If Floyd could take Mosley's best he can deal with Ortiz. Ortiz is hardly the biggest puncher Floyd's been up against.

Can Ortiz hurt him? Absolutely. Anyone can. Hell even Chop Chop did. But punching power alone is not the holy grail.

I'm sure you already know all this already. Nice analysis and thanks for sharing, but how things play out in past fights are not indications of future happenings.

Floyd adjusts too often to be beaten by a bad habit. Sure he can get caught. but we've seen him caught before, and getting knocked down isn't the end of the world.

Its just that he's that good that any measure of success for his opponents is seen as Floyd falling off. That's ridiculous, but that's the standard he's held to. Lots of people thought that Gatti was going to hurt Floyd badly, but you see how that turned out.

I'm judging Ortiz by his Berto performance. He got knocked down just about as much as Berto. Berto got up immediately after each knockdown. Ortiz has power, but not devastating power. He better be ready because I don't see Floyd trading with him.

Countering? Yes. Trading? Not so much.

And hasn't the stage always been set for an upset against Mayweather? Anyone who would have beaten Floyd would have been the underdog going in. Ortiz has no better chance than Mosley or DLH had. And while I love the Berto/Ortiz fight, it wasn't the best display of skill. It was a slug match, and we both know that Mayweather isn't coming in to slug it out.

Don't believe the hype. If Ortiz has any real chance, its a puncher's chance and judging by the Berto fight, he isn't putting anyone out with just one shot. If Floyd has gotten old overnight, we might see something uncalculated.

Outside of that, Mayweather will use angles to matador the bull.

[TintaBoricua]

Two things:

First, to say that a pro boxer should never be hit or hurt is ridiculous. Just because Floyd has a terrific defense doesn't make him invulnerable. That speaks volumes as to how good he is. He gets hit in two fights and automatically he's seen as slipping.

How many fighters can say the same? No one is held to that standard.

Second, do you think Ortiz hits harder than Mosley? I don't. If Floyd could take Mosley's best he can deal with Ortiz. Ortiz is hardly the biggest puncher Floyd's been up against.

Can Ortiz hurt him? Absolutely. Anyone can. Hell even Chop Chop did. But punching power alone is not the holy grail.

I'm sure you already know all this already. Nice analysis and thanks for sharing, but how things play out in past fights are not indications of future happenings.

Floyd adjusts too often to be beaten by a bad habit. Sure he can get caught. but we've seen him caught before, and getting knocked down isn't the end of the world.

Its just that he's that good that any measure of success for his opponents is seen as Floyd falling off. That's ridiculous, but that's the standard he's held to. Lots of people thought that Gatti was going to hurt Floyd badly, but you see how that turned out.

I'm judging Ortiz by his Berto performance. He got knocked down just about as much as Berto. Berto got up immediately after each knockdown. Ortiz has power, but not devastating power. He better be ready because I don't see Floyd trading with him.

Countering? Yes. Trading? Not so much.

And hasn't the stage always been set for an upset against Mayweather? Anyone who would have beaten Floyd would have been the underdog going in. Ortiz has no better chance than Mosley or DLH had. And while I love the Berto/Ortiz fight, it wasn't the best display of skill. It was a slug match, and we both know that Mayweather isn't coming in to slug it out.

Don't believe the hype. If Ortiz has any real chance, its a puncher's chance and judging by the Berto fight, he isn't putting anyone out with just one shot. If Floyd has gotten old overnight, we might see something uncalculated.

Outside of that, Mayweather will use angles to matador the bull.

Hell of a post! Truth, J!

BTW, even IF Ortiz beats Mayweather...and supposing Pacquiao gets past Marquez, look for Bob to match the two together.

Will it be entertaining? Hell yes! Will it be competitive? Nooooooooo...

Ortiz has a better chance at beating an aging DEFENSIVE fighter than an offensive dynamo...

[Gutz]

Other than Jro, which Pac fans are making a consistent case that Ortiz has no chance against Mayweather? I don't see any.

Hell, most Pac fans are trying to say that Ortiz will beat Mayweather other than idiots who call this fight a cherry pick.

I'm a Pac fan saying.. Mayweather will toy with Ortiz.. to a easy UD..

[QADASHBANYAH]

Different night. Different fight.

Berto planted his ass on the ropes and was content from round 8 onward to survive. The dirty little secret about that fight? The last third wasn't very good.


Also, when Ortiz pressured Berto in the first round, what did Berto do? He took a knee. The GorillaDogDragon ain't taking no damn knee. Beh-lee dat.

I feel ya, truth be told I think Floyd is gonna bruise him up pretty good and stop him, but again there is always a chance..

The point is this....Floyd chose Victor for a reason, vic has disrespected Roger and that is a big ass no no...

Thats Floyd daddy really as SR was in jail. Floyd seen something in that Berto Fight, that most of you guys are missing..... He saw that Vic is not mentally stable. He fights off his guts (HE COMES TO FIGHT) and boxing as Roger states, is a thinking mans game. Its the most brutal , realest form of chess anyone can ever play....

Ortiz is big and strong and as the fight got closer I was telling people that people would see that this is not a simple fight by no means there are too many variables.

Floyd looks hungry and he's not overlooking victor Floyd never does that. Victors power is more like a stunning power, not really a knock yo ass out power as berto was downed twice. Lamont Peterson etc.

YOU ARE CORRECT FLOYD AIN'T TAKING NO DAMN KNEE, I THINK HE WOULD TAKE THE "L" BEFORE TAKING A KNEE.

Only thing about it is that ORTIZ IS TOO GREEN..... He's not to green in experience persay, he's just never fought a master craftsman. He has a good amateur background, but them lights and that pressure and mayweather's skillset is just too much for him....

[Jack Napier]

Ortiz makes it to the last bell IF - IF Floyd lets him

[jaded]

When Mosley hurt Mayweather he was unable to follow up and pretty much faded shortly after. Zab faded after 4 or 5 rounds. I don't think Ortiz will fade and he tends to land big at some point. Mayweather is older now...inactive and has had quite a lot of bad distractions in his life and mental stress takes a enormous toll on everyone physically...it wears you down and ages you beyond your years. I'm sure he has done his share of hard core partying also in his hiastus because where there is smoke there is fire...and his life has been smoking. Ortiz is mentally as high and fresh as he has ever been in his young life...strong and I'd say has a decent chance of landing something bad on Mayweather more than once and possibly finishing him or at least weakening him enough to make it a good contest.

[Prime 407]

If - IF - the same version of Mayweather that showed up to fight Shane Mosley 16 months ago shows up on Saturday night against a big, young, strong and hungry Victor Ortiz, Floyd will head to the locker room at 41-1, and Ortiz will become the darling of the sport.

Here is why:

I went back and watched the Marquez fight, and the Shane Mosley fight. Twice. In the Marquez fight, JMM landed a couple of hard shots on Floyd early in the fight. You can see here @ 5:23 that Marquez pumps a (throwaway) jab, then lands a good right over the top. Remember that.

Now, fast-forward to the Shane Mosley fight. Remember the first round where Mosley fell? Why did he fall? He threw a bait jab and then Shane tried his Sunday punch over the top and lost his balance, Floyd narrowly slipped it.

Now, second round. Shane AGAIN pumps a throwaway (distraction) jab followed by everything he has into the right hand . At 0:05...

So, Floyd crowds Mosley and has nearly recovered. Shane then AGAIN does the SAME two-piece and catches Floyd at 0:33

So, Mosley went in with that gameplan. To see a fighter doing the same move several times early in a fight tells you it is his gameplan. Think Martinez' left hook that he threw four times until he caught Paul Williams. Using a Mayweather example, think about the check-hook that he hit Hatton with all night. That was Shane's plan. Feint the jab which gets Floyd to react, and bomb away with the right.

Floyd was celebrated for adjusting after he was hurt, but the point is that he never SHOULD have been hurt by that. He SHOULD have seen what Mosley was doing after the first THREE times Shane did it.

Which brings us to Saturday, September 17. There are several factors at play here:

Southpaw Stance: I have seen Floyd get hit hard by nearly every southpaw he has faced. Sharmba hit Floyd flush before Floyd turned southpaw himself. Chop-Chop caught Floyd with a massive looping right that had FMJ go back to the ropes to defend. Zab caught Floyd with a hard, straight left that again had PBF going back to the ropes to defend. So, Floyd's lapses vs. Southpaws are clearly evident.

Early Fight Opportunity: Floyd absolutely takes a few rounds to adjust. PARTICULARLY as he has gotten older and less active. Hatton's movement made Floyd fall off-balance in Round 1, although PBF had slipped the punch. Floyd and Judah got tangled in round 2 and nearly fell, not to mention the glove touching the canvas on another occasion in that fight. Even Marquez was able to land (above). And the Mosley fight (round 2, above) was the most Floyd has ever been hurt, despite what he says.



In summary, the confluence of the factors above tells me that this will be a VERY dangerous fight for an aging Mayweather. And for those who don't believe Floyd is aging, please list the guys in the HISTORY of boxing who are natural SFW's/LW's (even JWW's) and are not faded by age 35. Floyd turns 35 in a few months. 35. Inactivity doesn't help againg speed fighters... it hurts them.

Ortiz seems hungry. Motivated. In shape. He has little to lose.

Despite what the oddsmakers and boxing pundits are telling you, the stage is set for an upset here.

... the only question is if Victor will lay it all on the line. He should.

You've pretty much described how Pac would KO Mayweather LOL.

[IMDAZED]

I don't know if Ortiz is the one but I rewatched Mayweather-Mosley last night and Floyd has slowed down a lot. A lot.

[Dedication]

I don't know if Ortiz is the one but I rewatched Mayweather-Mosley last night and Floyd has slowed down a lot. A lot.

Yeah. Noticed that too, watched the full fight about an hour ago. It's going to be close.