GINO ROS' SHOCKER: Victor Ortiz Knocks Out Mayweather

[$mannyFresh]

agreed, knockdown is more realistic, but I can't see Floyd getting knocked out. If he was able to keep his composure after being hit hard by Mosely and able to stay up, I'm sure he can handle Ortiz's power as well.

I agree with this^. If anything, he can score a knockdown early but Mayweather will find openings on which he'll capitalize. Ortiz's chances will decrease to zero as the fight gets closer to the 4th round. From there on, it will be all Mayweather. Should be a good, tactical fight.

[Pessimistic]

I think Mayweather takes advantage of the long-layoffs to get his body in fighting shape again. If he fought more he might lose that "0" one thing about Mayweather is he acts like he's ignorant of other fighters. But he knows his boxing history and knows that the greatest fighters often overworked themselves. I don't think he's the greatest but he is smart and knows himself and what he can and cannot do.

[jamesbrown]

wouldn't Floyd getting dropped change everything about the fight due to his ego? I really believe it would

[IronDanHamza]

Unless Ortiz lands a punch that knocks him out cold he doesn't win this fight and loses almost every round.

[sdcluser]

Ortiz has no good jab and D is leaky. That's gonna be a problem.
But a lot more depend on much FLoyd has aged. Whether his movement and reaction is still there is the key of the fight.

[Zen_Fighter]

Floyd will win. I want Ortiz to win. I think in my mind, just as I do every time Floyd fights, this is how it "could" play and Floyd losses. It just never happens. I can always envision how it would happen and have been thinking about it again for Ortiz. Following Ricky Hatton's fight plan against Kostya Tsyzu. Mug him at every juncture. Throw bombs on then grab him. Throw bombs when he is on the ropes then grab him.

[JoeyNumbers]

Floyd's so called "greatness is an illusion". The guy has won 3 fights in the last 5 years. People get to impressed by his mitt work and jump roping. Show me in the ring, and 3 wins in 5 years is showing me very little.

Ever since Ortiz lost to Maidana, he has improved many aspects of his game. He is hungry and every bit as naturally talented as Floyd. He is relatively new, so he has a lot to prove, but he can definitely has what it takes to KO Floyd.

I see it this way, an overconfident fighter versus a hungry younger & bigger fighter... this is something Floyd has never faced.

I'm with you OP, Ortiz by KO.

[IMDAZED]

I've been saying this since the fight was signed. The version of Floyd that fought Shane is not good enough. Period. The one that fought Marquez maybe.

[megas30]

If - IF - the same version of Mayweather that showed up to fight Shane Mosley 16 months ago shows up on Saturday night against a big, young, strong and hungry Victor Ortiz, Floyd will head to the locker room at 41-1, and Ortiz will become the darling of the sport.

Here is why:

I went back and watched the Marquez fight, and the Shane Mosley fight. Twice. In the Marquez fight, JMM landed a couple of hard shots on Floyd early in the fight. You can see here @ 5:23 that Marquez pumps a (throwaway) jab, then lands a good right over the top. Remember that.

Now, fast-forward to the Shane Mosley fight. Remember the first round where Mosley fell? Why did he fall? He threw a bait jab and then Shane tried his Sunday punch over the top and lost his balance, Floyd narrowly slipped it.

Now, second round. Shane AGAIN pumps a throwaway (distraction) jab followed by everything he has into the right hand . At 0:05...

So, Floyd crowds Mosley and has nearly recovered. Shane then AGAIN does the SAME two-piece and catches Floyd at 0:33

So, Mosley went in with that gameplan. To see a fighter doing the same move several times early in a fight tells you it is his gameplan. Think Martinez' left hook that he threw four times until he caught Paul Williams. Using a Mayweather example, think about the check-hook that he hit Hatton with all night. That was Shane's plan. Feint the jab which gets Floyd to react, and bomb away with the right.

Floyd was celebrated for adjusting after he was hurt, but the point is that he never SHOULD have been hurt by that. He SHOULD have seen what Mosley was doing after the first THREE times Shane did it.

Which brings us to Saturday, September 17. There are several factors at play here:

Southpaw Stance: I have seen Floyd get hit hard by nearly every southpaw he has faced. Sharmba hit Floyd flush before Floyd turned southpaw himself. Chop-Chop caught Floyd with a massive looping right that had FMJ go back to the ropes to defend. Zab caught Floyd with a hard, straight left that again had PBF going back to the ropes to defend. So, Floyd's lapses vs. Southpaws are clearly evident.

Early Fight Opportunity: Floyd absolutely takes a few rounds to adjust. PARTICULARLY as he has gotten older and less active. Hatton's movement made Floyd fall off-balance in Round 1, although PBF had slipped the punch. Floyd and Judah got tangled in round 2 and nearly fell, not to mention the glove touching the canvas on another occasion in that fight. Even Marquez was able to land (above). And the Mosley fight (round 2, above) was the most Floyd has ever been hurt, despite what he says.



In summary, the confluence of the factors above tells me that this will be a VERY dangerous fight for an aging Mayweather. And for those who don't believe Floyd is aging, please list the guys in the HISTORY of boxing who are natural SFW's/LW's (even JWW's) and are not faded by age 35. Floyd turns 35 in a few months. 35. Inactivity doesn't help againg speed fighters... it hurts them.

Ortiz seems hungry. Motivated. In shape. He has little to lose.

Despite what the oddsmakers and boxing pundits are telling you, the stage is set for an upset here.

... the only question is if Victor will lay it all on the line. He should.

Been thinking the same thing....just that wanted to see him and Manny fight. But, each is a dangerous fight of their own. Hopefully, they pull it off and fight each other.

[jtiger777]

Pac man is the only one i see beating floyd and even he has a slim chance but i see what ur saying here