GINO ROS' SHOCKER: Victor Ortiz Knocks Out Mayweather

[MindBat]

I was a bit concerned when Floyd mentioned that he was just going to stand in front of Vic and trade and not move around because he didn't need to.

I would not underestimate Vic one bit. Vic is on fire and motivated to prove all his naysayers wrong. I would go in there to take him out as early as possible regardless of his inexperience at this level of competition.

Vic has got nothing to lose but his belt and ranking.

[GrandpaBernard]

yes, the jab to the body then right hand to the head combo has always been a weakness for Floyd.

however, Ortiz does not have a jab, nor does he use that combination, and he couldnt anyway since hes a southpaw.


On the other hand, Floyd is a little bit weak to right hooks from the southpaw stance, as shown in his fights with Corley and Judah. Good thing here is that Ortiz is a natural right handed fighter, so that could help. The trick is to 'chop' with the right hand, so it gets around the shoulder. Its all about the correct angle.

The problem is that Ortiz lunges way too often, particularly when throwing his left hand from long range. For that reason he needs toget close with the right hook, THEN throw the straight left from close range. Thats the most likely scenario is would land.

Id like to find a scenario for Ortiz's right uppercut to fit in, but Im not sure it will be a factor. Which is a shame, because its Ortiz's best punch.

good post, let see waht happens

[WESS]

If - IF - the same version of Mayweather that showed up to fight Shane Mosley 16 months ago shows up on Saturday night against a big, young, strong and hungry Victor Ortiz, Floyd will head to the locker room at 41-1, and Ortiz will become the darling of the sport.

Here is why:

I went back and watched the Marquez fight, and the Shane Mosley fight. Twice. In the Marquez fight, JMM landed a couple of hard shots on Floyd early in the fight. You can see here @ 5:23 that Marquez pumps a (throwaway) jab, then lands a good right over the top. Remember that.

Now, fast-forward to the Shane Mosley fight. Remember the first round where Mosley fell? Why did he fall? He threw a bait jab and then Shane tried his Sunday punch over the top and lost his balance, Floyd narrowly slipped it.

Now, second round. Shane AGAIN pumps a throwaway (distraction) jab followed by everything he has into the right hand . At 0:05...

So, Floyd crowds Mosley and has nearly recovered. Shane then AGAIN does the SAME two-piece and catches Floyd at 0:33

So, Mosley went in with that gameplan. To see a fighter doing the same move several times early in a fight tells you it is his gameplan. Think Martinez' left hook that he threw four times until he caught Paul Williams. Using a Mayweather example, think about the check-hook that he hit Hatton with all night. That was Shane's plan. Feint the jab which gets Floyd to react, and bomb away with the right.

Floyd was celebrated for adjusting after he was hurt, but the point is that he never SHOULD have been hurt by that. He SHOULD have seen what Mosley was doing after the first THREE times Shane did it.

Which brings us to Saturday, September 17. There are several factors at play here:

Southpaw Stance: I have seen Floyd get hit hard by nearly every southpaw he has faced. Sharmba hit Floyd flush before Floyd turned southpaw himself. Chop-Chop caught Floyd with a massive looping right that had FMJ go back to the ropes to defend. Zab caught Floyd with a hard, straight left that again had PBF going back to the ropes to defend. So, Floyd's lapses vs. Southpaws are clearly evident.

Early Fight Opportunity: Floyd absolutely takes a few rounds to adjust. PARTICULARLY as he has gotten older and less active. Hatton's movement made Floyd fall off-balance in Round 1, although PBF had slipped the punch. Floyd and Judah got tangled in round 2 and nearly fell, not to mention the glove touching the canvas on another occasion in that fight. Even Marquez was able to land (above). And the Mosley fight (round 2, above) was the most Floyd has ever been hurt, despite what he says.



In summary, the confluence of the factors above tells me that this will be a VERY dangerous fight for an aging Mayweather. And for those who don't believe Floyd is aging, please list the guys in the HISTORY of boxing who are natural SFW's/LW's (even JWW's) and are not faded by age 35. Floyd turns 35 in a few months. 35. Inactivity doesn't help againg speed fighters... it hurts them.

Ortiz seems hungry. Motivated. In shape. He has little to lose.

Despite what the oddsmakers and boxing pundits are telling you, the stage is set for an upset here.

... the only question is if Victor will lay it all on the line. He should.

It's called adjusting.

[BuckToothed]

Also using your assessment, Pacquiao should KO Floyd too.

You make no sense...

Ortiz is a threat to Floyd
Floyd easy works Manny
Manny mops the floor with Ortiz

[IronDanHamza]

If the Mayweather that fought Mosley turns up it's going to be easyyyyy work for Floyd.

Yes DAZED I am responding to you

[IMDAZED]

If the Mayweather that fought Mosley turns up it's going to be easyyyyy work for Floyd.

Yes DAZED I am responding to you

I already knew you were talking to me lol. The Mayweather that fought Marquez to me...

**In Coming to America voice**

"That boy good!"

I don't know about the one who fought Shane. Gino's right. I remember when that right hand whistled past him in the first and thinking, "Floyd's in trouble tonight." Sure enough, he got decked with that punch in the second. At some point, Ortiz will land his money punch. We'll see what happens from there.

[Lorily]

Well then, if your assessments are in anyway accurate come fight night - it's a good thing good ole' Joe Cortez will be there as the "third man in the ring". You can always count on Cortez to help a fighter out.

[Gino Ros]

Trying to give Floyd credit for when he wins?

Marquez is much more accurate and has much better timing than Ortiz, Mosley is quicker and hits harder than Ortiz.

You think THAT version of Shane is quicker than THIS version of Ortiz?

Dunno about that.

[IIG]

This actually is a shocker. I **** with Gino as a poster, but I don't see it.

[Gino Ros]

Nah nit picking little details like that from fights he dominated isnt a good indication of what will happen with an inexperienced guy like Ortiz

He is going to try to use brute strength on him and will just be getting countered all night

Will he land a few hard shots? Of course. But his footwork, lack of experience and mental state will be his downfall

Plus MOsley and JMM were much better then him

To be honest, I don't think it's "nit-picking". I view it more as "looking for chynks in the armor".

When you have fighters who are undoubtedly great (Pernell, Floyd, Roy, Pac, etc) and those guys are looking invincible, what first appear are small telltale signs.

In top athletes, that is how it seems to work.