GINO ROS' SHOCKER: Victor Ortiz Knocks Out Mayweather

[Merqui Sosa]

It never ceases to amaze me that landing a single punch or two on the great Floyd mayweather is the foundation of every Mayweather critic, detractor, and/or *******'s argument against Floyd.

No other fighter in history has been this good where people break down SINGLE PUNCHES to make FIGHT PREDICTIONS AND ANALYSIS.


Yet another thread showing just how good Floyd Mayweather is.

[RichCCFC]

Also using your assessment, Pacquiao should KO Floyd too.

[Steak]

yes, the jab to the body then right hand to the head combo has always been a weakness for Floyd.

however, Ortiz does not have a jab, nor does he use that combination, and he couldnt anyway since hes a southpaw.


On the other hand, Floyd is a little bit weak to right hooks from the southpaw stance, as shown in his fights with Corley and Judah. Good thing here is that Ortiz is a natural right handed fighter, so that could help. The trick is to 'chop' with the right hand, so it gets around the shoulder. Its all about the correct angle.

The problem is that Ortiz lunges way too often, particularly when throwing his left hand from long range. For that reason he needs toget close with the right hook, THEN throw the straight left from close range. Thats the most likely scenario is would land.

Id like to find a scenario for Ortiz's right uppercut to fit in, but Im not sure it will be a factor. Which is a shame, because its Ortiz's best punch.

[treason1]

ill up this thread @ 12:30 on sunday !!!!!!!!!

[Dudley]

If - IF - the same version of Mayweather that showed up to fight Shane Mosley 16 months ago shows up on Saturday night against a big, young, strong and hungry Victor Ortiz, Floyd will head to the locker room at 41-1, and Ortiz will become the darling of the sport.

Here is why:

I went back and watched the Marquez fight, and the Shane Mosley fight. Twice. In the Marquez fight, JMM landed a couple of hard shots on Floyd early in the fight. You can see here @ 5:23 that Marquez pumps a (throwaway) jab, then lands a good right over the top. Remember that.

Now, fast-forward to the Shane Mosley fight. Remember the first round where Mosley fell? Why did he fall? He threw a bait jab and then Shane tried his Sunday punch over the top and lost his balance, Floyd narrowly slipped it.

Now, second round. Shane AGAIN pumps a throwaway (distraction) jab followed by everything he has into the right hand . At 0:05...

So, Floyd crowds Mosley and has nearly recovered. Shane then AGAIN does the SAME two-piece and catches Floyd at 0:33

So, Mosley went in with that gameplan. To see a fighter doing the same move several times early in a fight tells you it is his gameplan. Think Martinez' left hook that he threw four times until he caught Paul Williams. Using a Mayweather example, think about the check-hook that he hit Hatton with all night. That was Shane's plan. Feint the jab which gets Floyd to react, and bomb away with the right.

Floyd was celebrated for adjusting after he was hurt, but the point is that he never SHOULD have been hurt by that. He SHOULD have seen what Mosley was doing after the first THREE times Shane did it.

Which brings us to Saturday, September 17. There are several factors at play here:

Southpaw Stance: I have seen Floyd get hit hard by nearly every southpaw he has faced. Sharmba hit Floyd flush before Floyd turned southpaw himself. Chop-Chop caught Floyd with a massive looping right that had FMJ go back to the ropes to defend. Zab caught Floyd with a hard, straight left that again had PBF going back to the ropes to defend. So, Floyd's lapses vs. Southpaws are clearly evident.

Early Fight Opportunity: Floyd absolutely takes a few rounds to adjust. PARTICULARLY as he has gotten older and less active. Hatton's movement made Floyd fall off-balance in Round 1, although PBF had slipped the punch. Floyd and Judah got tangled in round 2 and nearly fell, not to mention the glove touching the canvas on another occasion in that fight. Even Marquez was able to land (above). And the Mosley fight (round 2, above) was the most Floyd has ever been hurt, despite what he says.



In summary, the confluence of the factors above tells me that this will be a VERY dangerous fight for an aging Mayweather. And for those who don't believe Floyd is aging, please list the guys in the HISTORY of boxing who are natural SFW's/LW's (even JWW's) and are not faded by age 35. Floyd turns 35 in a few months. 35. Inactivity doesn't help againg speed fighters... it hurts them.

Ortiz seems hungry. Motivated. In shape. He has little to lose.

Despite what the oddsmakers and boxing pundits are telling you, the stage is set for an upset here.

... the only question is if Victor will lay it all on the line. He should.

Great analysis. Do I think it's possible, yes.

But I ask you this, regarding Mayweathers and his ability to adjust, and knowing Ortiz packs big pop, do you think he will make himself available?

Also one thing i have been thinking of is Ortiz falls into his shots as the later rounds go on and the fight takes it's rhythm. What happens if the fight turns into a close quarters fight? I understand what your saying in regards to Ortiz pumping a jab the an overhand left. But he tends to fall in which could lead to this being a possibility.

This is going to be a beast fight though for sure!

[SkillspayBills]

Ortiz is a live dog. His chance HAS to come early. Floyd claims he doesn't watch tape because he doesn't know what fighter will show up on fight night. But the time it takes to adjust is several rounds and it is ROCKY until then. He is somewhat hittable by then. Once you see Floyd put his hands down the fight is over. It means he has adjusted to the timing, the speed the distance and the punching power of Ortiz. Until then however Ortiz has to TAKE it to Floyd and show him no respect.

[Dedication]

From what I noticed Ortiz doesn't really feint. Which, of course is what Mosley and Marquez did to get through Mayweather's guard.

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[THE_BIG_HURT]

good post. Hope this fight is exciting. i'm really looking forward to it

[BillyBoxing]

If - IF - the same version of Mayweather that showed up to fight Shane Mosley 16 months ago shows up on Saturday night against a big, young, strong and hungry Victor Ortiz, Floyd will head to the locker room at 41-1, and Ortiz will become the darling of the sport.

Here is why:

I went back and watched the Marquez fight, and the Shane Mosley fight. Twice. In the Marquez fight, JMM landed a couple of hard shots on Floyd early in the fight. You can see here @ 5:23 that Marquez pumps a (throwaway) jab, then lands a good right over the top. Remember that.

Now, fast-forward to the Shane Mosley fight. Remember the first round where Mosley fell? Why did he fall? He threw a bait jab and then Shane tried his Sunday punch over the top and lost his balance, Floyd narrowly slipped it.

Now, second round. Shane AGAIN pumps a throwaway (distraction) jab followed by everything he has into the right hand . At 0:05...

So, Floyd crowds Mosley and has nearly recovered. Shane then AGAIN does the SAME two-piece and catches Floyd at 0:33

So, Mosley went in with that gameplan. To see a fighter doing the same move several times early in a fight tells you it is his gameplan. Think Martinez' left hook that he threw four times until he caught Paul Williams. Using a Mayweather example, think about the check-hook that he hit Hatton with all night. That was Shane's plan. Feint the jab which gets Floyd to react, and bomb away with the right.

Floyd was celebrated for adjusting after he was hurt, but the point is that he never SHOULD have been hurt by that. He SHOULD have seen what Mosley was doing after the first THREE times Shane did it.

Which brings us to Saturday, September 17. There are several factors at play here:

Southpaw Stance: I have seen Floyd get hit hard by nearly every southpaw he has faced. Sharmba hit Floyd flush before Floyd turned southpaw himself. Chop-Chop caught Floyd with a massive looping right that had FMJ go back to the ropes to defend. Zab caught Floyd with a hard, straight left that again had PBF going back to the ropes to defend. So, Floyd's lapses vs. Southpaws are clearly evident.

Early Fight Opportunity: Floyd absolutely takes a few rounds to adjust. PARTICULARLY as he has gotten older and less active. Hatton's movement made Floyd fall off-balance in Round 1, although PBF had slipped the punch. Floyd and Judah got tangled in round 2 and nearly fell, not to mention the glove touching the canvas on another occasion in that fight. Even Marquez was able to land (above). And the Mosley fight (round 2, above) was the most Floyd has ever been hurt, despite what he says.



In summary, the confluence of the factors above tells me that this will be a VERY dangerous fight for an aging Mayweather. And for those who don't believe Floyd is aging, please list the guys in the HISTORY of boxing who are natural SFW's/LW's (even JWW's) and are not faded by age 35. Floyd turns 35 in a few months. 35. Inactivity doesn't help againg speed fighters... it hurts them.

Ortiz seems hungry. Motivated. In shape. He has little to lose.

Despite what the oddsmakers and boxing pundits are telling you, the stage is set for an upset here.

... the only question is if Victor will lay it all on the line. He should.

Let's not forget Ortiz is ****in green, and he's 1-1-1 in his 3 big fights, Maidana stopped him (a dude who get schooled by a very faded Morales), he get a draw against Peterson, then beat Berto in a war, and lets keep it real Maidana, Peterson and Berto ain't no elite fighters.

I agree with most of your points but you seems to forget how Ortiz is limited and easy to hit.He has no experience.

[old cat]

Ortiz is a live dog. His chance HAS to come early. Floyd claims he doesn't watch tape because he doesn't know what fighter will show up on fight night. But the time it takes to adjust is several rounds and it is ROCKY until then. He is somewhat hittable by then. Once you see Floyd put his hands down the fight is over. It means he has adjusted to the timing, the speed the distance and the punching power of Ortiz. Until then however Ortiz has to TAKE it to Floyd and show him no respect.

I agree he is a live dog. I think he will force Floyd into a fight. Kinda like Hatton did. One could make the argument that he hits harder and therefor IF he puts something together he could shock us all.

The adjustments are the key. Mayweather will adjust. I just cant see Victor going up as many levels as Floyd.