Comments Thread For: Floyd Jr: If I Was KO'ing Heavyweights, is That Natural?

[IMDAZED]

Henry Armstrong went all the way up to Middleweight in a similar time frame.

Obviously Henry Armstrong was taking PED's before they existed LOL!

God damn *****s make *******s look like the smartest people in the world everytime I see these ****** threads LOL!!!

PEDs have existed a long time, for starters. Second, we live in different times. Bonds, Sosa, Jones, Clemens, Toney, etc. Get with it.

[Fetta]

The rules are the rules. Mayweather's refusal to fight Pacquiao unless Pacquiao plays by Mayweather's rules is inappropriate. It is. If Mayweather wants to change the rules, he should lobby Nevada, California and Texas and their boxing commissions.

The rules won't change though because there is too little money in boxing, MMA and other contact sports overall. It would be cost prohibitive to do USADA testing of any but the most high profile fights. Hence, nothing is going to change.

That being said, Pacquiao has purportedly agreed to whatever tests are necessary to make the fight. At least that's how I read the "tests aren't an issue" statement by him, but who knows.

Yes i agree rules are the rules but this is his request if you want to fight him. No rules saying a standard glove size needs to be used or ring size needs to be used or that there should be penalties for coming in at higher weight than agreed or limiting what you can hydrate to but they put them in contract. If you want to fight floyd you agree to testing or keep fighting TR fighters.

and yeah i read no more issues, except for the money NOW. Lets hope this is accurate so we can finally see it

[hillbilly]

exactly!! but i know im not gonna get a straight answer let alone an answer at all from these floyd fans regarding this.. if manny is on peds, he's not the only one that is on it or has done it so why havent we see any other pacman? or should i say more pacman?? i would believe floyd's accusation more if manny can relate to the other known peds user in boxing but it doesnt even come close when u compare them LOL!!

Remember when steroids hit it big in baseball? The first wave were the guys like Ruben Sierra--guys that got super big really fast and then couldn't hit at all. Then they fine tuned it. You got people that got huge but still had hand speed. The guys like McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Canseco, etc. It was evident to everybody that saw them that these guys were on steroids and every young player coming up was juicing to try to be the next Bonds or the next McGwire.

If steroids provided a material assistance to boxers, where are those guys? I don't recall a single boxer that got huge really fast and got better at the same time. Can you? I imagine that this hasn't happened in boxing because steroids are not conducive to improved performance in boxing. Emanuel Steward may be hitting the nail on the head when he talks about boxers being too muscular or having spent too much time in the gym. He always says being muscle bound is a hindrance to boxing. Maybe boxing is like the NBA--you don't really have a steroid problem with the sport because steroids don't really improve performance at the sport. Just a hypothesis . . .

[boxfan800]

I believe he is talking about this:

1940-03-01 142 Ceferino Garcia 153½ 97-22-10
Gilmore Stadium, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 10 10
referee: George Blake
Billed as a World Middleweight Title fight recognized only by California. This is George Blake's last assignment as a referee, according to his obituary in the Dec. 21, 1952 New York Times.
1940-01-24 139¾ Pedro Montanez 144½ 91-6-4World Welterweight Title

1940-01-04 136¾ Joe Ghnouly 135½ 61-22-7 World Welterweight Title

[aguileraluis22]

Manny didnt move from lightweight to welter in a matter of months, it took floyd years just cause floyd was scared to move up he was ok with cutting weight to stay at lightweight. lets think who was at welter when floyd was so "dominant" a young and prime Oscar De la hoya. oscar in his prime beats both manny and floyd. manny just stopped cutting weight and trained while eating thousands of calories a day. thats how you get big you feed your body and workout.

[IMDAZED]

Remember when steroids hit it big in baseball? The first wave were the guys like Ruben Sierra--guys that got super big really fast and then couldn't hit at all. Then they fine tuned it. You got people that got huge but still had hand speed. The guys like McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Canseco, etc. It was evident to everybody that saw them that these guys were on steroids and every young player coming up was juicing to try to be the next Bonds or the next McGwire.

If steroids provided a material assistance to boxers, where are those guys? I don't recall a single boxer that got huge really fast and got better at the same time. Can you? I imagine that this hasn't happened in boxing because steroids are not conducive to improved performance in boxing. Emanuel Steward may be hitting the nail on the head when he talks about boxers being too muscular or having spent too much time in the gym. He always says being muscle bound is a hindrance to boxing. Maybe boxing is like the NBA--you don't really have a steroid problem with the sport because steroids don't really improve performance at the sport. Just a hypothesis . . .

You don't see it because we didn't test before and we're barely testing now. The same Manny Steward you mention is the same guy who was convinced Ray Leonard was on steroids.

[madsweeney]

Remember when steroids hit it big in baseball? The first wave were the guys like Ruben Sierra--guys that got super big really fast and then couldn't hit at all. Then they fine tuned it. You got people that got huge but still had hand speed. The guys like McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Canseco, etc. It was evident to everybody that saw them that these guys were on steroids and every young player coming up was juicing to try to be the next Bonds or the next McGwire.

If steroids provided a material assistance to boxers, where are those guys? I don't recall a single boxer that got huge really fast and got better at the same time. Can you? I imagine that this hasn't happened in boxing because steroids are not conducive to improved performance in boxing. Emanuel Steward may be hitting the nail on the head when he talks about boxers being too muscular or having spent too much time in the gym. He always says being muscle bound is a hindrance to boxing. Maybe boxing is like the NBA--you don't really have a steroid problem with the sport because steroids don't really improve performance at the sport. Just a hypothesis . . .

I agree with what you said, most martial arts aslo teach this (bruce lee even mentioned it) bulk slows you down and reduces flexability. You ever see a guy with a huge chest try to hold a high guard, his elbows cant cover his midsection.

Even EPO has limited uses as these guys aren't doing crazy endurance exhibitions. The aerobic levels even over 12 rounds is like a middle distance runner, of course it would help but not like in other, endurance based sports.

[IMDAZED]

I agree with what you said, most martial arts aslo teach this (bruce lee even mentioned it) bulk slows you down and reduces flexability. You ever see a guy with a huge chest try to hold a high guard, his elbows cant cover his midsection.

Even EPO has limited uses as these guys aren't doing crazy endurance exhibitions. The aerobic levels even over 12 rounds is like a middle distance runner, of course it would help but not like in other, endurance based sports.

There are a million kind of PEDs. Depends on what you want.

[IronDanHamza]

PEDs have existed a long time, for starters. Second, we live in different times. Bonds, Sosa, Jones, Clemens, Toney, etc. Get with it.

Would help a little if Henry Armstrong actually fought at Middleweight too.

Henry Armstrong won Titles at 126, 135 and 147. As you know in today's game that's 5 weight classes.

For argument's sake let's say his lowest weight in todays game would be 122. That's still only 6.

[IMDAZED]

Would help a little if Henry Armstrong actually fought at Middleweight too.

Henry Armstrong won Titles at 126, 135 and 147. As you know in today's game that's 5 weight classes.

For argument's sake let's say his lowest weight in todays game would be 122. That's still only 6.

I saw someone (was it you?) make that point earlier. Exactly. "He fought at middleweight!" His opponent did, you mean lol.