Comments Thread For: Floyd Jr: If I Was KO'ing Heavyweights, is That Natural?

[hillbilly]

if its that easy like how lil floyd makes it seem then how come we dont see more boxers like pacman?? if all u have to do is pop a pill or stick a needle in u then all of a sudden your superman, if its that easy then we would have seen more fighters like manny then. all the guys before that was caught cheating using steriods did they all perform like manny did??? and who have pacman KO since moving up in weight to fight these bigger guys??

I agree. That isn't how it has worked. The most famous example is Fernando Vargas vs. ODLH (Vargas got KO'd). James Toney got busted twice once after he beat Ruiz by UD and once after he won a split decision to tomato can Danny Batchelder. He looked fat and lazy in both fights. Some mediocre fighters I remember testing positive for steroids are Francois Botha and Shannon Briggs.

I can't say I recall anybody testing positive after they had put on a career defining performance or even a performance that was a real step up for them. Mosley didn't test positive for steroids, but admitted he was using the clear before his second fight with De La Hoya. Did he look better in the second fight than he did in the first? I didn't think so.

[Brooklyn Iceman]

Excellent Post AAAAA++++++

Your stats, pretty much are recorded and well presented. Problem is, you can't educate mentally ******ed people. But the big question is, does jr really wants to fight pac? with all the excuses in fine prints, jr has no plans to really fight pac, it's all publicity. Pac already said he will do the random blood testing several months ago and jr is still talking about it. jr has to deal with Ortiz on the 17th and his mindset is towards Pac being extra ordinary. The more jr talks the more he exposes himself. jr will lose to Ortiz and he will get his rematch and that's the end of it, easy 80 million, that's a lot of money for 2 losses on his messed up resume.

I love the ignorance of all the ***** hate, who ironically love to cry hate against their idol. Mayweather is a great fighter. Pacquiao is a great fighter. Just because you love one doesn't mean you can't like the other.

#1 Jumping Weight

Pacquiao's fight night weight has barely changed since he moved up in weight:

vs Morales 11/2006: 129 weigh in / 144 fight night
vs Hatton 05/2009: 138 weigh in / 148 fight night
vs Cotto 11/2009: 142 weigh in / 149.5 fight night
vs Mosley 05/2011: 144 weigh in / 148 fight night

4.5 years after he weighed 144lbs vs Morales he came in against Mosley at 148lbs. That's a 4lbs difference. Or 8lbs for fighting at 152lbs against Margarito. In other words, less than 2lbs growth a year.

#2 Knocking Bigger Guys Out

He's only truly knocked out a single opponent in recent years and that's Hatton. The same Hatton who was hit by a monster flush shot, and who was almost knocked out two fights prior by the retired lightweight Juan Lazcano and had been knocked out by famously granite fisted Mayweather 3 fights prior to Pacquiao. He hit an old shot weight drained De La Hoya 224 times and couldn't even force a ref intervention. Pacquiao put Cotto down twice but finally scored a TKO in round 12 after landing 336 punches. Pacquiao hit Margarito 474 times and couldn't even put him down. Mosley knocked out Margarito after landing 178 punches. He showed power against a near 40-year-old Mosley who no one gave a snowball's chance, least of all the *****s.

Pacquiao should take the test to erase the stain of all the accusations, but the accusations are that he used steroids to put on the monstrous gains of 4 and 8 lbs in weight over 4 years, and uses steroids to allow him to knock out one fighter (Hatton) and also punch fighters hundreds of times flush before forcing a tko (De La Hoya/Cotto) or going the distance (Margarito/Mosley). The accusers say this is impossible. The accusers also say Pacquiao is an easy fight for Mayweather despite his impossible feats.

Here endeth the ignorance.

[aguileraluis22]

funny how he makes a big deal about it now. But is floyd on peds too? Him and pacquiao were the same weight at age 16 and floyd now is a welterweight. Manny on the other hand is a very small welterweight. but nobody seems to care about that. and he's not knocking these guys out he's beating them up with volume punching that adds up throughout 12 rounds. the only one he knocked out was ricky hatton and they were pretty much the same size.

[Fetta]

To much time has passed now where the fight cannot happen without the test. Pac doesnt want to for some reason, and there are many, and Money doesnt trust him. If you had to fight a guy YOU felt was cheating wouldnt you want to know it was a level playing field. If it wasnt Money asking would so many of you hate on the idea of a cleaner sport?

Doesnt matter what any of us say, Money thinks hes cheating and thats all we need to know. Take the test like others have and get the biggest payday of your career or not.

[hillbilly]

This is ******, it would more be like Paul Williams moving up to Heavy Weight and knocking guys out. Manny being competitive at 147 isn't strange at all. What is strange is how quickly he was able to do it. Moving up 3 weight classes in 1 year at the age of 30 and not losing an ounce of speed or power is what is weird.

Not losing an ounce of power? Really? Pacquiao has fought 5 fights at welterweight or above. He is 5-0 with 2 tkos. Neither of his TKOs (against Cotto and De La Hoya) were knockouts. De La Hoya simply retired on his stool and said afterwards that Pacquiao didn't hit hard at all. Cotto was on his feet in the 12th round but had just taken an ungodly accumulation of punches from every angle imaginable.

I've watched a lot of Pacquiao's fights. His power has dropped precipitously since he moved up to welterweight. He no longer has one punch knock out power. He can get one punch knockdowns because he is explosive and people dont' see where his punches are coming from, but he can't knock anybody out with a single punch like he could at the lower weights. He is also a bit slower than he was before. That doesn't matter that much because the people he is fighting are much slower too.

People who say Pacquiao has lost none of his power or speed simply haven't been paying attention. Those are flat out untrue statements.

[hillbilly]

funny how he makes a big deal about it now. But is floyd on peds too? Him and pacquiao were the same weight at age 16 and floyd now is a welterweight. Manny on the other hand is a very small welterweight. but nobody seems to care about that. and he's not knocking these guys out he's beating them up with volume punching that adds up throughout 12 rounds. the only one he knocked out was ricky hatton and they were pretty much the same size.

And hatton was at 140. Hatton fought, I believe, 2 fights at welter. The first, against Luis Collazo. In my humble opinion, Collazo won that fight cleanly and had Hatton hanging on for dear life at the end. After the fight, Hatton said he was done at 147 and wouldn't fight at that weight again. immediately thereafter, Mayweather offered Hatton a fight at . . . 147. Hatton then went back up in weight and got knocked out. When Pacquiao fought Hatton it was at 140 and Hatton thought he was much more in his element at that weight.

[iNDOLiFER]

I agree. That isn't how it has worked. The most famous example is Fernando Vargas vs. ODLH (Vargas got KO'd). James Toney got busted twice once after he beat Ruiz by UD and once after he won a split decision to tomato can Danny Batchelder. He looked fat and lazy in both fights. Some mediocre fighters I remember testing positive for steroids are Francois Botha and Shannon Briggs.

I can't say I recall anybody testing positive after they had put on a career defining performance or even a performance that was a real step up for them. Mosley didn't test positive for steroids, but admitted he was using the clear before his second fight with De La Hoya. Did he look better in the second fight than he did in the first? I didn't think so.

exactly!! but i know im not gonna get a straight answer let alone an answer at all from these floyd fans regarding this.. if manny is on peds, he's not the only one that is on it or has done it so why havent we see any other pacman? or should i say more pacman?? i would believe floyd's accusation more if manny can relate to the other known peds user in boxing but it doesnt even come close when u compare them LOL!!

[hillbilly]

To much time has passed now where the fight cannot happen without the test. Pac doesnt want to for some reason, and there are many, and Money doesnt trust him. If you had to fight a guy YOU felt was cheating wouldnt you want to know it was a level playing field. If it wasnt Money asking would so many of you hate on the idea of a cleaner sport?

Doesnt matter what any of us say, Money thinks hes cheating and thats all we need to know. Take the test like others have and get the biggest payday of your career or not.

The rules are the rules. Mayweather's refusal to fight Pacquiao unless Pacquiao plays by Mayweather's rules is inappropriate. It is. If Mayweather wants to change the rules, he should lobby Nevada, California and Texas and their boxing commissions.

The rules won't change though because there is too little money in boxing, MMA and other contact sports overall. It would be cost prohibitive to do USADA testing of any but the most high profile fights. Hence, nothing is going to change.

That being said, Pacquiao has purportedly agreed to whatever tests are necessary to make the fight. At least that's how I read the "tests aren't an issue" statement by him, but who knows.

[AntonTheMeh]

uh, what? .......

[hugh grant]

If Floyd wanted Pac badly enough he would fight Pac, even without OSDT. In an ideal world Pac would take them, and i believe Pac said he would take it.

But we dont live in an ideal world and FLoyd shouldnt assume everyone would take them. If no one agrees to take Floyds OSDT does that mean Floyd wouldnt ever fight again. Just lets image everyone chooses not to take FLoyds OSDT does that mean Floyd would take his 3rd retirement?