Jeffries would beat Vitali?

[LeG00N]

Jim Jeffries stops Vitali via cuts .... then GAYMITATION will claim Viatli is undefeated

[Trapped Bird]

Old Fighters are so ****ing overated..

Can you believe that The Ring's last ranking of best heavyweights of all time had John L. Sullivan as the 18th best heavyweight of all time. John L. Sullivan was heavyweight champion from 1885 to 1892. Yes, the 1800s. Deontay Wilder would decapitate John L. Sullivan today. Yes, Deontay fucking Wilder.

[Trapped Bird]

I just had somebody tell me Vitali Klitschko would destroy George Foreman the same way he destroyed Shannon Briggs.

Are you going to make a thread about that too? Didn't think so.

[winky's right]

Can you believe that The Ring's last ranking of best heavyweights of all time had John L. Sullivan as the 18th best heavyweight of all time. John L. Sullivan was heavyweight champion from 1885 to 1892. Yes, the 1800s. Deontay Wilder would decapitate John L. Sullivan today. Yes, Deontay fucking Wilder.

I respect fighters of the past very much but posts like these just have me scratching my head:

Hardest punch ever?

that would belong to a one John L Sullivan.

the way his right hand was thrown was with the hand down around the waist and the arm at an obtuse angle. at mid punch the elbow flicks out and up sending the hand and wrist down along with rotating the fore arm and hand so that the punch lands with back of the hand facing you and the wrist rounded outwords in the same direction.

this punch did 2 things.

1. it hits really really really really hard its a wide swing thats scientifically sound and still has some straightness to it.

2. with the elbow going up and the palm coming down its kind of an overhand punch, and with the hand rotating so the back of the hand is facing your self your two most powerful/pertruiding knuckles are now at the bottom of the punch. so with it being over hand its alot easier to hit the button and the knuckes that are going to hit the button are the sturdiest strongest knuckles almost garuenteeing a KO.


look at the pic of fitz in my avatar, his lead hand rounded outwards. Fitz P4P one of the hardest punchers ever. Imagine a 210-220 lb person that punched just like Fitz and you have John L Sullivan.

This was on a P4P hardest punch of all time.

[LeG00N]

Can you believe that The Ring's last ranking of best heavyweights of all time had John L. Sullivan as the 18th best heavyweight of all time. John L. Sullivan was heavyweight champion from 1885 to 1892. Yes, the 1800s. Deontay Wilder would decapitate John L. Sullivan today. Yes, Deontay fucking Wilder.

Sullivan is greater than Deontay

[nomadman]

There's so little footage available of Jeffries or other fighters of his era that anyone seriously attempting to evaluate them has to rely to a large degree on fight reportage, which cannot be considered an unbiased source, considering the nature of sensationalist sports journalism in general, and certainly of the press at that time, which was prone to exaggerate, supress or falsify to suit its needs or the needs of its readers.

Of course most people don't even look back that far but rely instead on hearsay and second hand opinions which, no matter whose opinions they may be, are still to some degree a distortion of the reality.

Jeffries and his ilk might well have been fantastic fighters, I'm not going to rule that possibility out, but until I've seen the footage of their best fights with my own eyes I'm going to remain skeptical. Certainly, what I've seen doesn't leave me impressed.

[nomadman]

haha yeh and by that you mean more exciting,crafty,durable,knock you out or get knocked out and put asses in seats sorta style. More or less what fans wanna see,than yes!

Oh yeah and athletes of today never use drugs or alcohol not too mention peds!!??

PEDs are different from other drugs because they're performance enhancers not detractors. They're also relatively recent discoveries whereas all those others date back to the times of the Pharoahs.

[nomadman]

Size alone doesn't mean punching power as Joe Louis,Rocky Marciano,Mike Tyson and others could tell you.

And yes they fought alot more often than fighters of today,had alot more fighting spirit and were alot more willing to exchange and take punishment,so yes they were alot tougher for the most part!

Many older fighters didn't have amateur careers. They learnt on the job. Most good modern fighters had extensive amateur careers consisting of hundreds of fights fought in a relatively short time span. Which isn't to draw a direct comparison, but just something to bear in mind.

[Grinderman]

Many older fighters didn't have amateur careers. They learnt on the job. Most good modern fighters had extensive amateur careers consisting of hundreds of fights fought in a relatively short time span. Which isn't to draw a direct comparison, but just something to bear in mind.

Tomasz Adamek would beat most of those old guys, fer crissake. The tendency to overrate what came before and to underrate what is right in front of your eyes is a sickness in current boxing circles, and I'm not talking only about the Klitschkos, but boxing in general.

Part of the problem is the old guard in the current boxing media, the Bert Sugar types who want to convince everyone that their heroes are the only ones who count. Boxing fans seem very prone to listen to this propaganda. There is nothing wrong with honoring what came before, but when you use boxing history to continually negate the present, that is a sickness.

[LeG00N]

Tomasz Adamek would beat most of those old guys, .

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