Jeffries would beat Vitali?

[Grinderman]

Size alone doesn't mean punching power as Joe Louis,Rocky Marciano,Mike Tyson and others could tell you.

And yes they fought alot more often than fighters of today,had alot more fighting spirit and were alot more willing to exchange and take punishment,so yes they were alot tougher for the most part!

You can find "tough" guys in any bar around closing time. Some of them really are pretty tough guys, as opposed to the fake tough guys who hide behind keyboards on here. That's more like the kind of guys you're talking about. The Klitschkos are leagues beyond that. They use modern, scientific training methods and eat properly and shun booze and dope. They are the new age kind of boxer, not the old barroom brawlers, and from now on to be on their level others will have to adopt their methods and be just as disciplined.

[WILL2WIN]

You can find "tough" guys in any bar around closing time. Some of them really are pretty tough guys, as opposed to the fake tough guys who hide behind keyboards on here. That's more like the kind of guys you're talking about. The Klitschkos are leagues beyond that. They use modern, scientific training methods and eat properly and shun booze and dope. They are the new age kind of boxer, not the old barroom brawlers, and from now on to be on their level others will have to adopt their methods and be just as disciplined.

That's not the same and those type ususually don't have iron wills and the spirit to persevere,there just alcohol fueled morons lol not prizefighters!

Some guys break under pressure like your beloved Wlad and others thrive on it,physical make up has nothing to do with the equation.

[Grinderman]

A gratuitous (and false) assertion that logically maybe equally gratuitously denied. Sorry dude, but your generation is in no way, shape, or form superior to any other generation. I know it just busts your narcissistic bubble and ruins your fantasy of generational self-importance but dem's the breaks.

Poet

Your romanticization of an era of part-time fighters who were full-time cabbies, bouncers, or bartenders is touching. You should share a bottle of cheap wine with Bert Sugar sometime.

The Klitschkos are the product of sports evolution: bigger, stronger, with better reflexes than ever before. Time marches on whether deluded, nostalgia-drunk boxing fans want it to or not. To the extent that boxing is a dying sport in the US, it is people like you and your ilk who are its murderers.

There is no other sport in which the past is not only valorized, but is constantly being presented as superior to the present like it is in boxing. Baseball, for instance, uses its history to promote the sport, but not to continually bash the present-day product. The only sport that does this is boxing, which constantly shoots itself in the foot.

The sooner people like you and Bert Sugar die off, the better off boxing will be. Until then, in the USA at least, boxing will continue to be smothered under the weight of its past.

[Poet682006]

Your romanticization of an era of part-time fighters who were full-time cabbies, bouncers, or bartenders is touching. You should share a bottle of cheap wine with Bert Sugar sometime.

The Klitschkos are the product of sports evolution: bigger, stronger, with better reflexes than ever before. Time marches on whether deluded, nostalgia-drunk boxing fans want it to or not. To the extent that boxing is a dying sport in the US, it is people like you and your ilk who are its murderers.

There is no other sport in which the past is not only valorized, but constantly being presented as superior to the present like it is in boxing. Baseball, for instance, uses its history to promote the sport, but not to continually bash the present-say product. The only sport that does this is boxing, which constantly shoots itself in the foot.

The sooner people like you and Bert Sugar die off, the better off boxing will be. Until then, in the USA at least, it will continue to be smothered under the weight of its past.

Like I said: Narcissistic self-important bilge. Typical.

Poet

[Grinderman]

That's not the same and those type ususually don't have iron wills and the spirit to persevere,there just alcohol fueled morons lol not prizefighters!

Some guys break under pressure like your beloved Wlad and others thrive on it,physical make up has nothing to do with the equation.

Sports evolution affects all sports, including boxing. The Klitschkos have combined modern, state-of-the-art training methods and diet with boxing skill and taken it to another level. The sooner boxing people, especially Americans, figure this out and quit trying to live in the past, the better off boxing will be.

[Grinderman]

Like I said: Narcissistic self-important bilge. Typical.

Poet

Coming from a guy with pretenses to being a poet, that is pretty funny.

Whatever you say, Dylan Thomas. Or are you into the sprung-rhythms of GM Hopkins?

[Ogecca MaMa]

I mean we all know boxing here (c). kyshenko team)

[Sadistic]

The history forum, curated by Fat Joe Benedetti aka "JAB" and Jimmy Murphy aka POET is not really a history forum at all, but a Klitschko brothers hate-fest. You name any old bum boxer, the older the better, they will pick him to annihilate the Klitschkos, because they will never have to worry about being proven wrong. They are total joke -- just look at them!

[MajorKong]

It was stated the fight was over 20 rounds, even if you love the modern fighters you have to agree this spells trouble for them and favours old timers a lot more.

Not really because the fight wouldn't get to 5 rounds.

[Guest]

vitali klitshcko is a bad mutha****a and would beat all of the old timers
even if the fights went 20 rounds by the 8th if they made it that far they would be tierd off of vitali out mussleing and *****g all his bodyweight on them