Jeffries would beat Vitali?

[Grinderman]

Actually nuthugging represents everything I despise in sports fans. And have ALWAYS despised. BTW, I never met a Klitschko "fan" that was even remotely objective about them ie they're all nuthuggers.

I think you'll find if you check my post history that I haven't changed my position on the Klits one iota since I came here four and a half years ago.

Poet

Sure, sure, internet tough guy. I guess being a totally biased hater is better than being a nuthugger in your book, since you're insane. Actually, you're just the flip side of what you claim to despise.

[Grinderman]

man it's not just speed,old timers were alot tougher than fighters of today! If David Haye had half the fight in him that some of those guys had he could be the champ right now instead of wlad

Wow, I didn't know Teddy Atlas had an account here!

[WILL2WIN]

By tougher you obviously mean terrible defensive ability and reflexes eroded by habitual alcohol and drug use?

haha yeh and by that you mean more exciting,crafty,durable,knock you out or get knocked out and put asses in seats sorta style. More or less what fans wanna see,than yes!

Oh yeah and athletes of today never use drugs or alcohol not too mention peds!!??

[dan_cov]

man it's not just speed,old timers were alot tougher than fighters of today! If David Haye had half the fight in him that some of those guys had he could be the champ right now instead of wlad

how was they tougher? Because their defence ****** & they got beaten to a pulp most weekends?

David Haye could be Holyfield tough, it wouldn't of made a difference because Wlad is a superior athlete. If he had of commited more it wouldn't of increased his chances against Wlad, it would of most certainly resorted to him being KTFO!

These old guys maybe tough, they might of been very tough, but this is boxing & you need more than toughness to get to the top nevermind to dethrone the Klitschkos. In all fairness most of these 'great old timers' have at least a dozen losses or more by K.O against 160/170lb journeymen.

If a 170lb fairly heavy handed journeyman is doing that, what would happen if a near 250 6ft6+ ****er like the bro's hit them?

[BrooklynBomber]

haha yeh and by that you mean more exciting,crafty,durable,knock you out or get knocked out and put asses in seats sorta style. More or less what fans wanna see,than yes!Oh yeah and athletes of today never use drugs or alcohol not too mention peds!!??

Bolded sounds a lot like mma. Fighters of the past were not craftier, nor were they tougher or more athletic. They had to sacrifice quality for quantity and never fought at the speed and sharpness of fighters of today.They simply did not have enough time to prepare, because of how often they fought and the level they fought at.
And you completely miss my point about alcohol, fighters of the past fought profusely like there was no tomorrow, and for many of them there was not. Some of them even came in drunk to fights. Fighters of today are much more professional in their regime.

[Poet682006]

Back then your opinion was not something to be dismissed, however as you admitted it has not changed one iota effectively making your opinion four and a half years behind the times.

Prosaist

Considering they've been fighting a steady stream of crap opponents for the past four and a half years my assesment if them is as valid today as it was then. Both are four years older not four years better.

Poet

[WILL2WIN]

how was they tougher? Because their defence ****** & they got beaten to a pulp most weekends?

David Haye could be Holyfield tough, it wouldn't of made a difference because Wlad is a superior athlete. If he had of commited more it wouldn't of increased his chances against Wlad, it would of most certainly resorted to him being KTFO!

These old guys maybe tough, they might of been very tough, but this is boxing & you need more than toughness to get to the top nevermind to dethrone the Klitschkos. In all fairness most of these 'great old timers' have at least a dozen losses or more by K.O against 160/170lb journeymen.

If a 170lb fairly heavy handed journeyman is doing that, what would happen if a near 250 6ft6+ ****er like the bro's hit them?

Size alone doesn't mean punching power as Joe Louis,Rocky Marciano,Mike Tyson and others could tell you.

And yes they fought alot more often than fighters of today,had alot more fighting spirit and were alot more willing to exchange and take punishment,so yes they were alot tougher for the most part!

[BrooklynBomber]

Considering they've been fighting a steady stream of crap opponents for the past four and a half years my assesment if them is as valid today as it was then. Both are four years older not four years better.

Poet

What kind of a poet are you if you talk in stamps?

[Grinderman]

Considering they've been fighting a steady stream of crap opponents for the past four and a half years my assesment if them is as valid today as it was then. Both are four years older not four years better.

Poet

The fighters the Klitschkos beat would still beat the crap out of most of your old bum champions from way back when. Cris Arreola, Eddie Chambers and Tony Thompson could beat the crap out of many past heavyweight champs. That is the truth. So if they are "crap opponents," what does that make your old heroes? Worse than crap.

[Poet682006]

The fighters the Klitschkos beat would still beat the crap out of most of your old bum champions from way back when.

A gratuitous (and false) assertion that logically maybe equally gratuitously denied. Sorry dude, but your generation is in no way, shape, or form superior to any other generation. I know it just busts your narcissistic bubble and ruins your fantasy of generational self-importance but dem's the breaks.

Poet