Comments Thread For: Floyd Mayweather Talks Pacquiao, Ortiz Fight, More

[LeadUppercut]

Believe me for me to get sonned, the person would have to have far greater knowledge than you do sir. With all due respect you're not up to par sir.

I did not read either post, but if your reply to him was as non-existent as your reply to me..... then you got owned alright, no question.

[jrosales13]

Is that it ?

SMH

FACT: every single comment that you replied to is correct, unless you can prove otherwise.

Waiting.....

An opinion is not correct or wrong. Is just an opinion.

You waiting for what exactly?

[LeadUppercut]

So you're telling me there's a small chance of doubt in your mind? I thought *****s were 100000% sure Pac is a genuine roid freak!! Ur becoming soft, *****!

FACT: everything in that post is 100% accurate.

Pacquiao is " most likely ", or " probably ", a steroid cheat.

I dont have his tests results in front of me, so I cant correctly state that he is, just that he is " probably " a steroid cheat.

Did that help you out ?

[jrosales13]

I did not read either post, but if your reply to him was as non-existent as your reply to me..... then you got owned alright, no question.

Yes he owned me by saying "preeeeeeeeeeeach". No question about it

Good God, the level of ******ity on these boards never ceases to amaze me.

[jrosales13]

FACT: everything in that post is 100% accurate.

Pacquiao is " most likely ", or " probably ", a steroid cheat.

I dont have his tests results in front of me, so I cant correctly state that he is, just that he is " probably " a steroid cheat.

Did that help you out ?

And, who's arguing that point?

Did that help you out

Everything that in both posts were not fact. And, that a 100% fact

[MaD RoBoT]

I have a much better idea.....

I stand by every comment that I make, so seeing that you felt obligated to bring the subject up, actually indicate what you disagree with, and why.

Surely that is a far more relevant, honest, way of assessing this ?

What do you disagree with, and why ?

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Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.

Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.

The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.

There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.

Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.

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FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.

" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "

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Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.

Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?

My question is, then why the *** didnt he ?

Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?

Why the catch-weights ?

Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?

Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.

Your theory requires that.....

* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not

Sooooooooooo many " coulds "

Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.

Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.

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How about addressing the issues at hand, rather than sending me on some errand?

wow....just WOW

[LeadUppercut]

This post stands Jro, your " laugh-dismissal " is officially ignored.

Interesting way of debating there dude, where'd ya learn that ?

You know my style man, anything that cannot be addressed, will never go away. Fair enough then, you will get other opportunities to reply to that post.

" laugh-dismissals ", are not acceptable, and will not work here

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Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.

Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.

The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.

There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.

Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.

=========================

FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.

" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "

=========================

Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.

Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?

My question is, then why the *** didnt he ?

Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?

Why the catch-weights ?

Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?

Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.

Your theory requires that.....

* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not

Sooooooooooo many " coulds "

Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.

Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.

=========================

[jrosales13]

This post stands Jro, your " laugh-dismissal " is officially ignored.

Interesting way of debating there dude, where'd ya learn that ?

You know my style man, anything that cannot be addressed, will never go away. Fair enough then, you will get other opportunities to reply to that post.

" laugh-dismissals ", are not acceptable, and will not work here

=========================

Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.

Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.

The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.

There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.

Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.

=========================

FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.

" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "

=========================

Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.

Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?

My question is, then why the *** didnt he ?

Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?

Why the catch-weights ?

Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?

Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.

Your theory requires that.....

* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not

Sooooooooooo many " coulds "

Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.

Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.

=========================

Tell me whats the point in debating someone where it seems that they don't know the difference between a FACT and an OPINION?

Honestly you're the opposite of Puga, Strugg, Check Hooks, Vegan etc etc. Talking to you about Pac is like talking to them about Floyd. It gets nowhere. You just gonna keep copying pasting the same crappy opinions that you mistake for facts.

A laughter from Jro does NOT dismiss facts. But, a laughter from Jro dismisses opinions, IMO

Once you re-read your posts and correct your opinions from supposedly facts then we can talk and debate about the sport. And, it's history if you really want to take it there with me.

Until then keep copying and pasting some whack job opinion and just put "facts" because of ignorance of not knowing the difference. And, I will just keep laughing.

[South_paw]

Tell me whats the point in debating someone where it seems that they don't know the difference between a FACT and an OPINION?

Honestly you're the opposite of Puga, Strugg, Check Hooks, Vegan etc etc. Talking to you about Pac is like talking to them about Floyd. It gets nowhere. You just gonna keep copying pasting the same crappy opinions that you mistake for facts.

A laughter from Jro does NOT dismiss facts. But, a laughter from Jro dismisses opinions, IMO

Once you re-read your posts and correct your opinions from supposedly facts then we can talk and debate about the sport. And, it's history if you really want to take it there with me.

Until then keep copying and pasting some whack job opinion and just put "facts" because of ignorance of not knowing the difference. And, I will just keep laughing.

Opinions disguised as FACTS rocks!!!

[Tamis!]

I have a much better idea.....

I stand by every comment that I make, so seeing that you felt obligated to bring the subject up, actually indicate what you disagree with, and why.

Surely that is a far more relevant, honest, way of assessing this ?

What do you disagree with, and why ?

=========================

Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.

Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.

The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.

There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.

Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.

=========================

FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.

" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "

=========================

Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.

Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?

My question is, then why the *** didnt he ?

Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?

Why the catch-weights ?

Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?

Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.

Your theory requires that.....

* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not

Sooooooooooo many " coulds "

Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.

Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.

=========================

How about addressing the issues at hand, rather than sending me on some errand?

Man, I don't even know where to start.

We're cool Lead, but listen, lemme just say you talk like you haven't had sex in your life man.

Don't be hatin', just sayin'.