Comments Thread For: Floyd Mayweather Talks Pacquiao, Ortiz Fight, More

[jrosales13]

Joshua " the punching bag " Clottey..... is nothing but a joke.

He is a perennial underachiever, who has failed at every major hurdle.

His performance against Pacquiao was either highly inept, or highly su****ious.

Your insistence that he is a top 5 welter explains why you rate Pac as an ATG

Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Berto, Cotto, Margarito, were all better than that fkn idiot Clottey. He should be ashamed of himself for that unnecessarily innocuous performance.

It is fkn absurd that you rate Pac an ATG, and have most likely used the phrase "cleaned out" the welterweight division, but then admit that it is debatable whether the kid Ortiz has a better resume at welter after 1 fight with Berto.

Why dont you read that paragraph you wrote again.

I am not addressing the last issues in your post, as you turned it personal, and your opinion is irrelevant.

In fact, get ***ed, I have posted in numerous articles relating to all sorts of topics, and up until a few months ago, barely touched a Pac article. Due to recent life changes my time allotment here at boxing scene has more than halved, so like everyone, I will spend time where I can, and with issues that appear more relevant.

That dig was cheap, like your reply.

You cannot deal with the direct, accurate, nature of my posts, and you definitely cannot refute them..... so it suits you to simply label me a "hater", or label a comment as "opinion", even though you are unable to refute it.

Hate the game, not the playa.

FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was - in my opinion - a complete bum who has failed at every major hurdle..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

Hows that ?

Factually 100% correct ?

And no different whatsoever to my earlier comment on the same subject.

Way to waste the little time I have here by splitting hairs over the validity of an incompetent underachieving idiot.

Not only do you not know the difference between facts and opinions. Because, once again you make the same mistake. You also lack reading comprehension.

Or maybe you're just trolling. Which I hope is the case.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Not only do you not know the difference between facts and opinions. Because, once again you make the same mistake. You also lack reading comprehension.

Or maybe you're just trolling. Which I hope is the case.

I remember a time when Joshua Clottey was a Floyd stans savior. He was a roadblock to Magarito.

[LeadUppercut]

Not only do you not know the difference between facts and opinions. Because, once again you make the same mistake. You also lack reading comprehension.

Or maybe you're just trolling. Which I hope is the case.

Not one single honest poster is flying with your bull****.

You have failed to even attempt to address any of those issues, aside from praising Clottey just because Pac fought him, and you have failed to even attempt to correct anything in that post.

That post stands, and you will see it again, count on it.

Only in pacland are issues resolved by ignoring them

In the real world, an issue will stand until refuted.

1.) we live in the real world
2.) you have not refuted any of my points
3.) you can rely on seeing those issues raised on future relevant threads

Believe it.

[jrosales13]

Not one single honest poster is flying with your bull****.

You have failed to even attempt to address any of those issues, aside from praising Clottey just because Pac fought him, and you have failed to even attempt to correct anything in that post.

That post stands, and you will see it again, count on it.

Only in pacland are issues resolved by ignoring them

In the real world, an issue will stand until refuted.

1.) we live in the real world
2.) you have not refuted any of my points
3.) you can rely on seeing those issues raised on future relevant threads

Believe it.

WTF are you even talking about? You're making no sense.

Honestly you're just like Strugg and guys of that ilk. You just have the opposite POV. But, an illogical POV regardless.

No one praised Clottey. You lack reading comprehension. If that's what you got out of that post. But, you're too ****** to realize what the point of that post. Obviously you can't tell the difference between facts and opinions.

And, you can raise those "issues" that only you and people of your ilk think are issues.

Tell me WTF do you want to debate so we can end this. Just stay away from the history of the sport. Because, you will be out of your depth there.

But, whatever you debate. Just don't say that opinions are facts. Now bring up your ******ed issues.

[WalkerSmith1921]

That's what I'm talking about

ohh i agree at first it was Manny's fault, then Floyds, then Manny and its been him ever since, he was awfully quick to sign the fight with Clottey, at first it just seemed like neither guy wanted to fight, but the reason they havent been able to fight now is the lawsuit, didnt Bob Arum himself say that they cant fight until the courtcase is settled, 'it is much too important'? why man? why should a lawsuit stop the biggest fight in boxing? im a neutral so im lookin at this from the outside, and when this all started believe it or not, i was a bigtime Pac fan, and blamed Floyd for the fight not happening, i gave him every benefit of the doubt until it became painfully obvious that he is just full of ****, his ACTIONS prove that, from using 3 or 4 different excuses why he cant take the tests, to the lawsuit that is currently preventing the fight from happening, not to mention the level of opposition he has been fighting, either old or washed up or at catchweight or coming off losses or all of those put together lol i mean come on bro, the only worthy opponent he has fought in the last few years is Miguel Cotto and he made him come in 2 pounds under the limit, and Cotto was the Champ, WHAT THE F#CK lol how do u make the champ come in under his limit. HOW THE HELL IS MANNY P4P KING lol

EAAE,

great post and examples dude. I'm a Floyd fan but I'm objective as well; and everything you said is on the money. Manny's actions are showing the world that he is indeed a fraud by fighting old used up fighters which the real boxing fans aren't buying that whole (pound for pound) adage. again great post

[WalkerSmith1921]

Wake UP!!!!

that's why his loyal followers are so ******. they still don't get it that pbf is never going to fight pac. pbf will continue to find issues where there is none. his next demand most likely will be ost spies in pac's training camp. the guy is scared. fact that he's demanding these extra test means he can't believe pac is real. what else could it possibly mean? pac is right in suing the bastards.

dude you truley have the right name for yourself. As a pacfan, I was wondering if you mind packing Manny's ahole because you are TOO devoted to someone who have so many excuses.

Some fans go to the extremes for their heros and it seems like you are one of those fans to the point of naming yourself pacfan. It's crazy and asinine to me. I like Floyd Mayweather J.R. and was a fan from the beginning; but I would never name myself floydfan or anything like that.

Back to the topic at hand. If I had any su****ions that Floyd or anyone of my other favorites could be cheating, I would give that particular fighter a frown without thinking that individual was a God. You guys put Manny in a Godly position which I think is crazy and ****** to say the least!!! Manny Pacquiao, had too many excuses first of all. Secondly, Manny cheated on his wife. Third, but not last Manny demand catchweights against old used up has-beens without any questions from his followers. So again, I don't think I can add a thing that would make you guys (Manny's followers) see that the guy isn't perfect, but in fact is being perfectly manuevered and manipulated by Arum and company.

[tomhawq]

dude you truley have the right name for yourself. As a pacfan, I was wondering if you mind packing Manny's ahole because you are TOO devoted to someone who have so many excuses.

Some fans go to the extremes for their heros and it seems like you are one of those fans to the point of naming yourself pacfan. It's crazy and asinine to me. I like Floyd Mayweather J.R. and was a fan from the beginning; but I would never name myself floydfan or anything like that.

Back to the topic at hand. If I had any su****ions that Floyd or anyone of my other favorites could be cheating, I would give that particular fighter a frown without thinking that individual was a God. You guys put Manny in a Godly position which I think is crazy and ****** to say the least!!! Manny Pacquiao, had too many excuses first of all. Secondly, Manny cheated on his wife. Third, but not last Manny demand catchweights against old used up has-beens without any questions from his followers. So again, I don't think I can add a thing that would make you guys (Manny's followers) see that the guy isn't perfect, but in fact is being perfectly manuevered and manipulated by Arum and company.

nahh. i've already admitted that pac's biggest mistake was not calling your idol's bluffs the first time. which means i'm acknowledging pac's mistake. he's not perfect. unlike you fans of the great floyd you blame everyone but your idol. and as you can see and judging from pbf's behaviour in the last several months, pbf would have weaseled his way out of the fight by coming up with another bunch of excuses even if pac signed a million ost contracts. whole world knows drug testing is no longer an issue, yet he and his fans never fail to find something to b1tch about.

point is, this thing about pac's cherrypicking and fighting washed-up fighters can end IF your beloved floyd would just man up and fight. i don't know why you guys let him get away with denying you the chance to see him beat a catchweight king who fought nothing but bums. floyd is denying you guys turn your fantasies into reality. if i were a floyd fan, i'd be furious with this pu55iness of his.

[LeadUppercut]

WTF are you even talking about? You're making no sense.

Honestly you're just like Strugg and guys of that ilk. You just have the opposite POV. But, an illogical POV regardless.

No one praised Clottey. You lack reading comprehension. If that's what you got out of that post. But, you're too ****** to realize what the point of that post. Obviously you can't tell the difference between facts and opinions.

And, you can raise those "issues" that only you and people of your ilk think are issues.

Tell me WTF do you want to debate so we can end this. Just stay away from the history of the sport. Because, you will be out of your depth there.

But, whatever you debate. Just don't say that opinions are facts. Now bring up your ******ed issues.

No jro, YOU are too ****** to realise the point of that post.

You are either dishonest or ignorant.

This entire discussion is centered around the fact that Manny has achieved *** all at welterweight.

You, in your wisdom, decided to split hairs over the word bum.

Well done for wasting my time by quibbling over the adjective that I chose to describe that inept, incompetent, underachieving, ***wit, Josh Clottey.

Jro, if you want to spend your time praising the achievements of that Homer Simpson clone Josh Clottey, then go do it in the mirror and stop wasting my time, you fkn clown.

THE BOTTOM LINE REMAINS THE SAME !!

You are well-aware of the point that I was making, and you should be too intelligent to think that choosing to miss the point and quibble over Clotteys merits was a complete waste of time.

Jro, maybe you have read a couple of books, but you have no feel whatsoever for this game, you are all about the theory kid, and have no idea about the practical.

You need to go lace em up, and try to develop some instincts for the sport.

You wanted some homework ?

Forget it, you have already ducked those points by trying to fend them off with a laugh emoticon.

But, if you actually decide to front up, then go for it.....

And btw, I would be particularly interested if you would focus on the final point..... "Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers".

And, you are nuts if you think the questions that Manny has been unable to answer are all listed in that post, because very few are. Just ask if you want a far more comprehensive list of questions that a truly great fighter would have answered, and yet Manny did not.

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Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.

Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.

The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.

There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.

Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.

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FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.

" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "

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Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.

Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?

My question is, then why the *** didnt he ?

Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?

Why the catch-weights ?

Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?

Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.

Your theory requires that.....

* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not

Sooooooooooo many " coulds "

Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.

Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.

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[LeadUppercut]

nahh. i've already admitted that pac's biggest mistake was not calling your idol's bluffs the first time. which means i'm acknowledging pac's mistake. he's not perfect. unlike you fans of the great floyd you blame everyone but your idol. and as you can see and judging from pbf's behaviour in the last several months, pbf would have weaseled his way out of the fight by coming up with another bunch of excuses even if pac signed a million ost contracts. whole world knows drug testing is no longer an issue, yet he and his fans never fail to find something to b1tch about.

point is, this thing about pac's cherrypicking and fighting washed-up fighters can end IF your beloved floyd would just man up and fight. i don't know why you guys let him get away with denying you the chance to see him beat a catchweight king who fought nothing but bums. floyd is denying you guys turn your fantasies into reality. if i were a floyd fan, i'd be furious with this pu55iness of his.

Here is a classic example clearly showing the difference between a genuine boxing fan, and a nut-hugging moron.

You are a fkn moron if you think that was a mistake

Clown

[jrosales13]

No jro, YOU are too ****** to realise the point of that post.

You are either dishonest or ignorant.

This entire discussion is centered around the fact that Manny has achieved *** all at welterweight.

You, in your wisdom, decided to split hairs over the word bum.

Well done for wasting my time by quibbling over the adjective that I chose to describe that inept, incompetent, underachieving, ***wit, Josh Clottey.

Jro, if you want to spend your time praising the achievements of that Homer Simpson clone Josh Clottey, then go do it in the mirror and stop wasting my time, you fkn clown.

THE BOTTOM LINE REMAINS THE SAME !!

You are well-aware of the point that I was making, and you should be too intelligent to think that choosing to miss the point and quibble over Clotteys merits was a complete waste of time.

Jro, maybe you have read a couple of books, but you have no feel whatsoever for this game, you are all about the theory kid, and have no idea about the practical.

You need to go lace em up, and try to develop some instincts for the sport.

You wanted some homework ?

Forget it, you have already ducked those points by trying to fend them off with a laugh emoticon.

But, if you actually decide to front up, then go for it.....

And btw, I would be particularly interested if you would focus on the final point..... "Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers".

And, you are nuts if you think the questions that Manny has been unable to answer are all listed in that post, because very few are. Just ask if you want a far more comprehensive list of questions that a truly great fighter would have answered, and yet Manny did not.

=========================

Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.

Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.

The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.

There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.

Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.

=========================

FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.

" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "

=========================

Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.

Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?

My question is, then why the *** didnt he ?

Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?

Why the catch-weights ?

Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?

Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.

Your theory requires that.....

* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not

Sooooooooooo many " coulds "

Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.

Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.

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Obviously you lack reading comprehension. But, keep going cuz' it's entertaining.

Your knowledge about the sport and it's history is not up to par for me to seriously debate with you. Learn about the sport and it's history. Find out the difference between facts and opinions and then comeback to me. Or go find someone more credible and I will debate them.

Until then have a good one strugg err....Lead Uppercut.