Comments Thread For: Floyd Mayweather Talks Pacquiao, Ortiz Fight, More

[GRUSTLER]

Believe me for me to get sonned, the person would have to have far greater knowledge than you do sir. With all due respect you're not up to par sir.

Ha ha ha! It doesn't matter because you still like to hang out in my shadow. I see that you have De La Hoya as your Avi pic. Guess you would rather live through him, then put up your own pics of you doing the same. Anyways, you are always talking about how knowledgable you are and how I'm not on your level but you always find a way to respond to any post I put out, like you can't help but to get at me. On top of that. You act like a neutral boxing fan but anyone with sense can see that you are not. I have more respect for Pac fans then you, because atleast they let it be known who they are riding with but you are a wannabe trying to play both sides of the fence and come off even but your stance is crooked. You are the real fraud and I still don't understand why you keep replying to my posts because I don't even pay you any mind when I'm on here.

[GRUSTLER]

Yes he owned me by saying "preeeeeeeeeeeach". No question about it

Good God, the level of ******ity on these boards never ceases to amaze me.

The "preeeeeeeeach" wasn't even directed towards you but a reply to another poster that I agreed with but you found a way to get at my post which simply said "preeeeeeach". If you are all so mighty and knowledgable on this site then why reply to a post that just said "preeeeeeaaaach" ESPECIALLY since it wasn't directed at you? Atleast you could have stated why it was funny to agree with that poster but you couldn't even do that. You are intimidated by me and I know this but can't understand why? You seemed to have a problem with competition but I don't, because I don't consider you competition at all. Hope that takes some of the pressure off of you son.

[LeadUppercut]

Tell me whats the point in debating someone where it seems that they don't know the difference between a FACT and an OPINION?

I made three comments and stated them as fact.

FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

And jro, I will add a fourth.....

FACT: You ducked all three comments, which tells a story, because that aint like you jro

Tell me what you disagreed with in my post, otherwise, your reply is just a whine. It is hilarious to hear you categorise a fact as "opinion" and yet not attempt to correct it. Actually, that sounds like bull**** jro, because if you feel that you have knowledge to drop, you make everyone aware of it.

Drop some on me man, what is incorrect about those " facts " ?

And feel free to correct the comments below.

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Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.

Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.

The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.

There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.

Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.

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FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.

" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "

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Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.

Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?

My question is, then why the *** didnt he ?

Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?

Why the catch-weights ?

Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?

Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.

Your theory requires that.....

* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not

Sooooooooooo many " coulds "

Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.

Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.

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[LeadUppercut]

Man, I don't even know where to start.

We're cool Lead, but listen, lemme just say you talk like you haven't had sex in your life man.

Don't be hatin', just sayin'.

Dont take this personal, because I like your style, and you make some great points. We disagree on a few things but I do not have you pegged like I do some others, jro either, which is why I am being civil

Bro, the " hater " tag, is a childish excuse.

Or to be more correct, it is a cop-out.

FACT: Hate is worthless and can easily be discredited.

" opinion " can be swayed/altered/destroyed, by facts, common-sense, and intelligent honest reasoning. Which is why I suspect that jro is very happy to call those facts "opinion", but will not actually state why he disagrees.

The three comments that I stated as fact are, as usual, 100% correct.

They certainly have not been refuted.

Just saying.....

[jrosales13]

I made three comments and stated them as fact.

FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

And jro, I will add a fourth.....

FACT: You ducked all three comments, which tells a story, because that aint like you jro

Tell me what you disagreed with in my post, otherwise, your reply is just a whine. It is hilarious to hear you categorise a fact as "opinion" and yet not attempt to correct it. Actually, that sounds like bull**** jro, because if you feel that you have knowledge to drop, you make everyone aware of it.

Drop some on me man, what is incorrect about those " facts " ?

And feel free to correct the comments below.

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Pacquiao is barely hof-worthy.

Had he fought back in the old days when there was only one champion, no catch-weights, under the original divisions, using same-day weigh-ins, he would likely only be a 1-2 division champ, at best.

The last prime champion that Pac fought beat him, and the previous champ who beat Pac wasnt even prime. I dont see nothing there.

There are dozens of great fighters who were very successful going up and fighting as the smaller man..... they did not cherry-pick the easiest champion, fighting old men, manipulating advantages, using catch-weights..... they would fight anyone.

Pacquiao simply will not do that, and according to common-sense, he is likely a steroid cheat as well.

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FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was a bum..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

FACT: Pac would not fight a faded shop-worn Cotto without a catch-weight.

FACT: Ortiz has achieved more at welter than Pacquiao, because he beat a legit #3, Manny has never done that. Berto > Clottey, and the Mosley that Pacquiao fought.

Pacquiao is a hypejob man, he has tip-toed through the tulips, due to superb match-making, masterful timing, and the manipulation of advantages..... his resume is manufactured.

" a good fighter will look great, if he holds all of the advantages "

=========================

Back in the day, it is highly unlikely that Pac would have won a title at fly or welter. And at fw/lw he would have had to fight the very best, using same-day weigh-in, no catchweights, and no contractual manipulations.

Now, you may insist to me that Pacquiao COULD have done all that ?

My question is, then why the *** didnt he ?

Why is he fighting old men and bums who are mostly coming off losses ?

Why the catch-weights ?

Why the contractual manipulations if he is supposedly a P4P fighter ?

Your " Pac is an ATG " theory, requires a ****load of faith, which is rubbish.

Your theory requires that.....

* Pac could have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Raheem, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best lightweight, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten the best JWW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Cotto at 147, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten a genuine JMW, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mosley when he was #1, even though he did not
* Pac could have beaten Mayweather, even though he did not
* Pac could have tested clean for steroids, even though he did not

Sooooooooooo many " coulds "

Certainly, way too many for a truly great fighter.

Great fighters leave more answers than questions, Manny has left more questions than answers.

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Again you talking about facts when you stating opinions. And, looking at your opinion and post talking to you about Pac will be like talking to Check Hooks, Vegan, Strugg about Floyd.

And, honestly what is it with taking Steelhammer aka Vlas owns aka Domination shtick of copying and pasting the same crappy posts?

[jrosales13]

Ha ha ha! It doesn't matter because you still like to hang out in my shadow. I see that you have De La Hoya as your Avi pic. Guess you would rather live through him, then put up your own pics of you doing the same. Anyways, you are always talking about how knowledgable you are and how I'm not on your level but you always find a way to respond to any post I put out, like you can't help but to get at me. On top of that. You act like a neutral boxing fan but anyone with sense can see that you are not. I have more respect for Pac fans then you, because atleast they let it be known who they are riding with but you are a wannabe trying to play both sides of the fence and come off even but your stance is crooked. You are the real fraud and I still don't understand why you keep replying to my posts because I don't even pay you any mind when I'm on here.

The "preeeeeeeeach" wasn't even directed towards you but a reply to another poster that I agreed with but you found a way to get at my post which simply said "preeeeeeach". If you are all so mighty and knowledgable on this site then why reply to a post that just said "preeeeeeaaaach" ESPECIALLY since it wasn't directed at you? Atleast you could have stated why it was funny to agree with that poster but you couldn't even do that. You are intimidated by me and I know this but can't understand why? You seemed to have a problem with competition but I don't, because I don't consider you competition at all. Hope that takes some of the pressure off of you son.

This guys, doesn't even realize how the "preach" comment related to me :lol1;

[LeadUppercut]

Again you talking about facts when you stating opinions. And, looking at your opinion and post talking to you about Pac will be like talking to Check Hooks, Vegan, Strugg about Floyd.

Correct, my opinion is that those comments are 100% correct, so..... fact !

If they were not 100% factually correct, then you would have refuted them.

Or at least tried.

And you did not even attempt to refute them, which aint like you

Dude, those comments were pretty simply, and if incorrect, could be proven so by performing a simple boxrec search.

And, honestly what is it with taking Steelhammer aka Vlas owns aka Domination shtick of copying and pasting the same crappy posts?

Well, he does not seem to do that to me Jro.

Know why ?

Because when he states an opinion as fact, I disprove it, using fact.

Waiting.....

Jro, those three comments are correct, you know it, and I know it.

[GRUSTLER]

This guys, doesn't even realize how the "preach" comment related to me :lol1;

Yeah, your right, because I wasn't paying you no mind. I replied to another poster not you.

[jrosales13]

Correct, my opinion is that those comments are 100% correct, so..... fact !

If they were not 100% factually correct, then you would have refuted them.

Or at least tried.

And you did not even attempt to refute them, which aint like you

Dude, those comments were pretty simply, and if incorrect, could be proven so by performing a simple boxrec search.



Well, he does not seem to do that to me Jro.

Know why ?

Because when he states an opinion as fact, I disprove it, using fact.

Waiting.....

Jro, those three comments are correct, you know it, and I know it.

Do you not know the difference between fact and opinion? Are you that ******?

Clottey being a bum is not a fact, it's a crappy opinion. He's a former title holder, been competitive with name fighters, arguably beaten name fighters, has beaten name fighters, ranked fighters. Julius Rafael, do you know who that is? What weight-class he fights? What's his record? Most likely you don't cuz he's a bum. Clottey is far from a bum. And, even if you think he's a bum that's a matter of an opinion not fact.

To say that Clottey shouldn't have been in the top 5 is again matter of opinion not fact. Who at that should have been ranked ahead of him at WW IN YOUR OPINION? key word opinion. Because, is not a fact.

To say that Ortiz has accomplished more at WW than Pac. Is a matter of opinion. It's who body of work at that weight you prefer. Some might agree, others might disagree. Plenty of people prefer Pac work at WW more. Which is why they have Pac ahead of Ortiz. But, that's their opinion. It's not a fact. It's a fact that ring and boxing rank Pac higher. But, at the end of the day is an opinion and what one prefer.

But, again talking to you about Pac it's like to check hooks, vegan, Puga, etc etc about Floyd. You're just like them as posters goes. You're no better, no worse. For you to say that Pac isn't an ATG not even top 100 barely a HOF'er, it's really whatever cuz' that's your ****ty ass opinion that from now on I don't even respect anymore. But, that will be damn near the same thing that those joke of a posters would say about Floyd. Hence why I don't respect their opinions either.

Domination hasn't done that to you? Maybe because you don't join any other discussion that doesn't involve Floyd/Pac/OST. It's very difficult to find you in any other boxing related threads. But, he does the same crappy copying and paste job that you do. No matter how many times one refutes it. You pretty much jocked him sorry gimmick. You not even that created with yours. At least he puts pics and shit up.

And, in the words of Domination/Steelhammer that's THE TRUTH.

[LeadUppercut]

Do you not know the difference between fact and opinion? Are you that ******?

Clottey being a bum is not a fact, it's a crappy opinion. He's a former title holder, been competitive with name fighters, arguably beaten name fighters, has beaten name fighters, ranked fighters. Julius Rafael, do you know who that is? What weight-class he fights? What's his record? Most likely you don't cuz he's a bum. Clottey is far from a bum. And, even if you think he's a bum that's a matter of an opinion not fact.

To say that Clottey shouldn't have been in the top 5 is again matter of opinion not fact. Who at that should have been ranked ahead of him at WW IN YOUR OPINION? key word opinion. Because, is not a fact.

To say that Ortiz has accomplished more at WW than Pac. Is a matter of opinion. It's who body of work at that weight you prefer. Some might agree, others might disagree. Plenty of people prefer Pac work at WW more. Which is why they have Pac ahead of Ortiz. But, that's their opinion. It's not a fact. It's a fact that ring and boxing rank Pac higher. But, at the end of the day is an opinion and what one prefer.

But, again talking to you about Pac it's like to check hooks, vegan, Puga, etc etc about Floyd. You're just like them as posters goes. You're no better, no worse. For you to say that Pac isn't an ATG not even top 100 barely a HOF'er, it's really whatever cuz' that's your ****ty ass opinion that from now on I don't even respect anymore. But, that will be damn near the same thing that those joke of a posters would say about Floyd. Hence why I don't respect their opinions either.

Domination hasn't done that to you? Maybe because you don't join any other discussion that doesn't involve Floyd/Pac/OST. It's very difficult to find you in any other boxing related threads. But, he does the same crappy copying and paste job that you do. No matter how many times one refutes it. You pretty much jocked him sorry gimmick. You not even that created with yours. At least he puts pics and shit up.

And, in the words of Domination/Steelhammer that's THE TRUTH.

Joshua " the punching bag " Clottey..... is nothing but a joke.

He is a perennial underachiever, who has failed at every major hurdle.

His performance against Pacquiao was either highly inept, or highly su****ious.

Your insistence that he is a top 5 welter explains why you rate Pac as an ATG

Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, Berto, Cotto, Margarito, were all better than that fkn idiot Clottey. He should be ashamed of himself for that unnecessarily innocuous performance.

It is fkn absurd that you rate Pac an ATG, and have most likely used the phrase "cleaned out" the welterweight division, but then admit that it is debatable whether the kid Ortiz has a better resume at welter after 1 fight with Berto.

Why dont you read that paragraph you wrote again.

I am not addressing the last issues in your post, as you turned it personal, and your opinion is irrelevant.

In fact, get ***ed, I have posted in numerous articles relating to all sorts of topics, and up until a few months ago, barely touched a Pac article. Due to recent life changes my time allotment here at boxing scene has more than halved, so like everyone, I will spend time where I can, and with issues that appear more relevant.

That dig was cheap, like your reply.

You cannot deal with the direct, accurate, nature of my posts, and you definitely cannot refute them..... so it suits you to simply label me a "hater", or label a comment as "opinion", even though you are unable to refute it.

Hate the game, not the playa.

FACT: Pacquiao has only ever fought two welterweights at 147, one was an old man, and the other was - in my opinion - a complete bum who has failed at every major hurdle..... neither were ranked higher than 4, and neither should have been ranked in the top 5.

Hows that ?

Factually 100% correct ?

And no different whatsoever to my earlier comment on the same subject.

Way to waste the little time I have here by splitting hairs over the validity of an incompetent underachieving idiot.