Does anyone think a good jab would work floyd?

[hebi]

The only reason people think a jab will beat Floyd is because Roger Mayweather mentioned it. Had Roger not mentioned a jab, no one would be thinking about it.

If you can remember, everyone use to think "pressure" would beat Floyd. Now it's a jab.

In my opinion, you have to throw punches when Floyd punches. That's really the only time Floyd allows any openings. Both Mosley and Hatton almost knocked Floyd down "while" Floyd was punching. See Floyd vs Hatton (Round 1) & Floyd vs Mosley (Round 2).

The jab won't hurt, but you need much more qualities to come close to beating Floyd.

Ortiz's down fall will be his lack of speed. The only reason Judah, Mosley, and Hatton were able to damage Floyd early was because of their speed. Although, Victor Ortiz is powerful, he lacks in speed. Unless Ortiz lands/hurts Mayweather early, he has absolutely no shot at victory.

I disagree that Ortiz doesn't have speed. He doesn't have the kind of overall speed of a Judah or Mosley, but I'd say he is faster than Hatton. I've seen him throw some pretty damn quick right hooks for example. I think he has enough speed, combined with his southpaw angles and pressure, to land shots on Floyd.

[uoykcuf]

Ortiz has a pretty ****ty jab in my opinion. I think if he jabbed Floyd would just come over the top of it like he did against Mosley.

[BoxingGenius27]

There are many ways to beat Floyd, a great jab and pressure are just 2.

The only problem is this type of fighter, with all these qualities, doesn't exist.

[BoxingGenius27]

I disagree that Ortiz doesn't have speed. He doesn't have the kind of overall speed of a Judah or Mosley, but I'd say he is faster than Hatton. I've seen him throw some pretty damn quick right hooks for example. I think he has enough speed, combined with his southpaw angles and pressure, to land shots on Floyd.

I honestly don't think Ortiz is as fast as Hatton was. Ortiz doesn't come close to cutting off the ring like Hatton did. He kind of follows guys around the ring.

Ortiz has the power, but not the speed to effectively land against Floyd.

Mayweather will make him look like Baldomir.

[Carpe Diem]

Floyds never fought a really good jabber but again there's not many good jabbers at the lower weight classes. The only good ones I can think of are Cotto, Khan, and Maidana's underrated jab that doesn't get appreciated much so I have to have pictures of it landing on Khan so people can see it.

That's because he's inaccurate with it. He has landed a total of 137 out of 1,051 jabs in his last three fights against Kotelnik, Khan, and Morales.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=BoxingGenius27;11073138]I honestly don't think Ortiz is as fast as Hatton was. Ortiz doesn't come close to cutting off the ring like Hatton did. He kind of follows guys around the ring.

Ortiz has the power, but not the speed to effectively land against Floyd.

Mayweather will make him look like Baldomir.[/QUOTE]

Ortiz is much faster than Baldimir. He's slower than than Mayweather but that's expected. But Ortiz does have faster hands than the average Welterweight.

[BoxingGenius27]

[QUOTE=joseph5620;11073159]

I honestly don't think Ortiz is as fast as Hatton was. Ortiz doesn't come close to cutting off the ring like Hatton did. He kind of follows guys around the ring.

Ortiz has the power, but not the speed to effectively land against Floyd.

Mayweather will make him look like Baldomir.[/QUOTE]

Ortiz is much faster than Baldimir. He's slower than than Mayweather but that's expected. But Ortiz does have faster hands than the average Welterweight.

Ortiz is faster than Baldomir, but not as fast as Hatton. I said "Mayweather will make him look like Baldomir".

[bojangles1987]

no because it would only be a matter of time before he starts timing it and the cadence at which it's thrown. All BS aside Floyd is a very smart fighter one of a handful who can adjust gameplans and techniques mid fight.

In order to beat Floyd you have to force him to get out of his comfort zone. People think it's letting him lead but we saw what happens in Gatti and Marquez when he does lead. I always thought the gameplan to beat Floyd would be to never let him set or breath to constantly bring heat to him in differing patterns. That's why we saw guys like Jesus Chavez and JLC give him issues and yet superior boxers like Genaro and DLH get outboxed with little issue

Couldn't agree more. I simply don't understand why people think trying to outbox Floyd would work. You'd have to have a massive height and reach advantage, and very good to great boxing skills to do that, someone like Tommy Hearns, of which there is no one like that.

All the fighters that have given Floyd trouble have either been unconventional or pressure fighters.

[D4thincarnation]

The only problem is this type of fighter, with all these qualities, doesn't exist.

At welter I thought Williams, Cotto and Margarito could have beating Floyd. Now I give Khan a decent chance next year providing he wins against a decent fighter at 147lbs, Martinez favourite to beat him at 154lb and Pacquiao at 147lbs would be heavy favourite to beat Floyd IMO.

Not a surprised Floyd has fought none of these fighters and probably never will.

Cotto Marg and Williams are not the fighters they were when Floyd should have fought them.

Martinez, Khan and Pacquiao are still on the top of their game, or still improving in Khan's case.

We have pressure fighters in their, volume punchers, great jabbers, speedsters, counter punchers, southpaws, combo punchers and fighters with physical advantages, all things Floyd will struggle with.

[BoxingGenius27]

At welter I thought Williams, Cotto and Margarito could have beating Floyd. Now I give Khan a decent chance next year providing he wins against a decent fighter at 147lbs, Martinez favourite to beat him at 154lb and Pacquiao at 147lbs would be heavy favourite to beat Floyd IMO.

Not a surprised Floyd has fought none of these fighters and probably never will.

Cotto Marg and Williams are not the fighters they were when Floyd should have fought them.

Martinez, Khan and Pacquiao are still on the top of their game, or still improving in Khan's case.

We have pressure fighters in their, volume punchers, great jabbers, speedsters, counter punchers, southpaws, combo punchers and fighters with physical advantages, all things Floyd will struggle with.

Khan - has the jab and speed to land on Floyd. But he doesn't have the chin to apply sound pressure like Oscar and Castillo did. If you're going to try to pressure Floyd, you have to be able to back it up with a chin. Khan is kind of shaky in the dept if you ask me.

Pac - has the speed and power to land on Floyd. But he doesn't have a jab. Pac also has the chin to back up a pressurized style if had to apply one.

Martinez - He has power, a descent jab, good speed, and a pretty good chin. In other words, he's good in all areas, but I don't think he's "great" in any.

Out of those 3 fighters, I give the best chance to Pac.