Is "WHEN" you fight more important than "WHO" you fight????

[deejd]

Why you keep bringin up pac like its supposed to hurt my feelings???

But since you bring it up...while floyd was fighting the likes of phillips, brusseles and sosa pac was fighting barrera, morales and jmm. But that "when" just didnt seem quite enough to overtake floyd in the p4p rankings.

How do you view Juan Marquez right now, today?

[BennyST]

*****s love this logic. Baldomir was the #1 ww. Juan manuel marquez was #2 pound for pound.

We know every dog has his day. Howcome nobody mentions buster douglas as a great win for holyfield even though he was the number 1 heavyweight at the time? Howcome *****s love to trash hatton's win over malignaggi when he was the #2 140lber in the world at the time?

Absolutely. It is the modern day boxing 'thing to do'. Every major fighter does it now sadly, though I really don't know why you are singling out Mayweather and his fans. If anything Pac is much, much worse than Mayweather at it, especially considering he fought all the same guys Floyd did well after Floyd already beat them. Pac is quite clearly the worst culprit of this awful trend. His record and fighting name fighters who are past it, and coming off losses is utterly pathetic and it still baffles me that he isn't pulled up on it a lot more, especially with the amount of hate that Floyd gets for doing similar things, though to a much lesser degree.

When was the last time Pac fought someone coming off a career best win? He has fought a many, many fighters coming off career best (read worst) losses and knock outs. I hardly think making a thread about something Pac is quite clearly the worst culprit at, yet trying to relate it to Monee Mai and his ****** fans makes any sense.

Anyway, it is the thing for promoters to do now. Rather than make historically significant fights, as used to be the norm in boxing, it's now about getting the biggest name with the least risk, which means no matter how badly they've just lost or how many times they've lost, how old they are or how shot they are, if they are a big name we are going to see the top dogs fighting them.

While the Ortiz fight is a largely foregone conclusion, it's at the very least a breath of fresh air in that Monee Mai is fighting a young peak guy still improving that is coming off the best win of his career. Whatever else can be said, it's better than fighting 40 year old after 40 year old coming off loss after loss.

Actually, can you imagine if Mayweather fought Oscar, Hatton, Mosley, Marquez, Margarito etc after Pac had beaten, dominated or knocked them out? Everyone would completely flip out. Pac gets away with it from many people, despite it being weak as piss yet if Monee did it, he would be vilified like no one else in boxing history would have been. Quite funny what you can get away with if you act nice.

[big_james10]

Why you keep bringin up pac like its supposed to hurt my feelings???

But since you bring it up...while floyd was fighting the likes of phillips, brusseles and sosa pac was fighting barrera, morales and jmm. But that "when" just didnt seem quite enough to overtake floyd in the p4p rankings.

If you are going to make these comparisons, you should at least not make yourself look like an idiot by presenting false information as facts.

Facts: Mayweather fought Sosa in April 2003, one month after Pac fought a P4P great named Serikzhan Yeshmagambeton (I am sure he will have a plaque in the HOF right beside Pac's). Since Mayweather never fought anyone named Phillips, I assume you meant to say Sharmba Mitchell, whom he fought in November 05. That same year, he also fought Henry Brussels (1/05) and Arturo Gatti (6/05). Around the same time, Pac fought HOF greats Fahsan 3K Battery (12/04), Eric Morales (3/05) and Hector Velazquez (9/05). According to this evidence, they both have fought some tomato cans in their careers, although you *******s tend to have selective memory when it comes to your god.

Between 2003 and 2005, Pacquaio was barely on the P4P radar. Even if he was, he damn sure wasn't going to overtake Mayweather fighting guys like this.

[BennyST]

Of course. *****'s ignore this though.

Oscar=old, part time drug/alcohol addled.

Hatton=not good to begin with and at 147 to boot.

Mosley=Old as ****

JMM=Featherweight

Gatti=clubfighter post Ward trilogy and lost to Alfonso Gomez, lol

Floyd is a master at picking fights when the opponent can't fight back.

See what I mean? As much as I don't like Mayweather, you have just listed all of Pac's most recent opponents, apart from Gatti (whom I have no doubt Pac would have fought if he was still alive).

Whether you're a Pac fan, which I'm quite sure you are, doesn't matter because this is what they all say. Monee cherry picks and Pac takes the biggest challenges...even though they fight the same guys with Pac fighting every single one of Floyd's recent wins. Really bizarre.

"Monee Mai cherry picks! Ultimate P4P number 1 cherry picker! pwn LAMO! Oscar, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley! Lolercoaster! Pac greatest ever and pwns Monee Mai and fights the best!"

Edit: Just a weird one I noticed....Malignnaggi was not the number 2 rated fighter at 140 when Hatton fought him. Hatton fought him at the start of 2009, or very end of 2008 (can't remember which) and Malignaggi was rated about fifth when they fought. He was very briefly rated 2nd behind Witter in 2007 after winning the IBF title but was demoted with two terrible showings against Lovemore Ndou and another against Herman N'doujo.

[MajorKong]

See what I mean? As much as I don't like Mayweather, you have just listed all of Pac's most recent opponents, apart from Gatti (whom I have no doubt Pac would have fought if he was still alive).

Whether you're a Pac fan, which I'm quite sure you are, doesn't matter because this is what they all say. Monee cherry picks and Pac takes the biggest challenges...even though they fight the same guys with Pac fighting every single one of Floyd's recent wins. Really bizarre.

"Monee Mai cherry picks! Ultimate P4P number 1 cherry picker! pwn LAMO! Oscar, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley! Lolercoaster! Pac greatest ever and pwns Monee Mai and fights the best!"

Edit: Just a weird one I noticed....Malignnaggi was not the number 2 rated fighter at 140 when Hatton fought him. Hatton fought him at the start of 2009, or very end of 2008 (can't remember which) and Malignaggi was rated about fifth when they fought. He was very briefly rated 2nd behind Witter in 2007 after winning the IBF title but was demoted with two terrible showings against Lovemore Ndou and another against Herman N'doujo.

I'm not a pac fan. I find him just as suspect since he left 130. Both are robbing boxing fans blind with staged matches that might as well be rigged outright.

I saw other posts you've made in other threads. You are an excellent poster with discernment and critical thinking skills unknown to most boxing fans.

In short. You sir are a goddamn winner.

[BennyST]

And yet leonard's win over hagler is considered a great win under the same circumstances. Dlh's win over chavez considered a great win under the same circumstances which is why I bring it up.

It's generally thought that Hagler was past prime at the time of the fight, but Leonard was fighting 2 weight classes above his best weight against one of the greatest middleweights of all time. That's why it's viewed as a great win. Oscars win over Chavez isn't really viewed as a great win. Not sure where you're getting that.

Errrrr, considering that Leonard had fought once in six years and was coming back and fighting the P4P number 1 at a higher weight division he'd never been at, and the opponent was an ATG and the current Undisputed champion who hadn't lost in over a decade, I think it's more significant than the fact that Hagler was slowing down.

[jrosales13]

Of course more importantly than who, is when. Like Heeb said, it's common sense.

[BennyST]

I'm not a pac fan. I find him just as suspect since he left 130. Both are robbing boxing fans blind with staged matches that might as well be rigged outright.

I saw other posts you've made in other threads. You are an excellent poster with discernment and critical thinking skills unknown to most boxing fans.

In short. You sir are a goddamn winner.

No, I kind of figured you weren't by your post and it wasn't really made at you. More of a general reaction to what I knew people were thinking, if that makes sense. Thanks for the compliment though. Much appreciated.

[Ray*]

*****s trash Hattons win over Paulie? That's new!! I thought *****s overrate most Hatton's wins to make Mayweather's defeat of Hatton look great..

[Ray*]

The time you fight someone ( especially fighters who were once great) is the main thing, Hatton fought Castillo when he done and dusted, De la Hoya fought Chavez when he was done and dusted, too many examples..