ODLH " I Would have beaten Mayweather and Pacquiao in my prime"

[champion4ever]

Oh I believe that DLH in his prime would have beaten Pacquiao without a doubt .. especially if there was no catchweight.

I do not believe that DLH would have beaten Floyd. Your account of the fight is inaccurate. DLH was NOT outlanding Floyd. DLH was NOT beating Floyd to the punch throughout the fight.

You wrote that the problem was that DLH encountered some stamina issues later on in the fight. Is the 4th round late in the fight? Because that's when Floyd took over.

DLH was effective in the first 3 rounds with his jab. Then he started getting countered. DLH outweighed Floyd by 20+lbs, so it was only natural that he would bully Floyd until Floyd came up with an answer.

DLH was ONLY effective throughout the fight when he pinned Floyd on the ropes. And Floyd began spinning out of those exchanges.

If DLH would have come in at 147lbs and tried to fight Floyd the way he did every other fight he had at that weight, he would have got a loss. He would have gotten easily outboxed.

Mosley was able to nullify DLH's offense toe to toe, and Mosley never had the skill that Floyd has. Shane is a powerboxer, not a defensive wiz. DLH would have attempted to exchange with Floyd and left himself open for plenty of countershots.

DLH was never know for speed. DLH was never known for power. And DLH was never known for defense. DLH was known as a Mexican who could actually box without having to get beat up in the process. Same with Marquez. The difference is that Marquez is more of a technician .. while DLH was more of a boxer/puncher.

I said it before and I'll say it again: When a boxer doubles the connect percentage of his opponent and there are no knockdowns or knockouts in the fight, the story got told right there in the numbers.

DLH got dominated.

But only a real student of the game knows that. No one doubles their opponent's connect percentage and its a close fight. NO ONE give up 20lbs to an opponent outside of the HW division and wins. Yet Floyd did.

If Pacquiao is Floyd's equal, why doesn't he rematch DLH while coming in at 142 and let DLH come in at 165lbs? Could Pacquiao win under those circumstances? I seriously doubt it. Pacquiao stipulated that DLH come in at 145lbs.

So let's not kid ourselves here.

I don't disagree with anything that you are saying at all; Especially about ODLH outweighing Mayweather on fight night by some 20 odd lbs or more. Also, one can couple that with the fact that Floyd was fighting way beyond his peak weight. Had the two would have met at a 130 lbs, then Mayweather would have won in a landslide because he is nowhere near Oscar's size and neither is Manny but he was unwilling to cut the same amount of weight for Floyd as he did for Manny Pacquiao or make the necessary concessions to make the fight happen either; Like fighting with 8 oz gloves as opposed to those 16 oz gloves he forced Mayweather to wear when they fought. So you are right. ODLH actually gained a substantial amount of weight just so he could gain an unfair advantage over Mayweather and he still the lost fight even by playing by his own rules. So that's another intangible to throw in this hypothetical. Had the playing field been even, could have Oscar performed as well as he did that night against Mayweather? After closer examination we may never know. Also, Floyd was calling out ODLH ever since he was a lightweight and Oscar was a Junior Middleweight because he wanted the big payday that was constantly eluding him. Before then he was even calling out the Prince Hamed at a catch weight of 128 lbs. Additionally, I remember on one of the HBO telecasts he said that he was willing to fight anyone between a 135 to 154 lbs. So I'm pretty sure that he was including ODLH in that mix as well.

[SkillspayBills]

Incorrect. Oscar always comes up short in his superduper megafights (he could have beat Trinidad though). MAYBE Pac just because he is genuinely alot smaller than Hoya but his speed of hand and feet would probably still be too much for ODH.

[2120]

floyd is to selective and cautious at welter weight. p4p floyd is great but at welter i have yet to see a fight that would make me believe he would beat a prime oscar, shane, or vernon forrest.

not saying oscar would ko him or completely dominate him but oscar would out work to earn a dec.


short of a prime tommy hearns nobody knocking a prime floyd out his defensive is too good

pac will always be a tough fight for oscar simply because pac is left handed and you need a good right hand to fight a south paw and a prime oscar does not have a good right hand

[Brother Jay]

floyd is to selective and cautious at welter weight. p4p floyd is great but at welter i have yet to see a fight that would make me believe he would beat a prime oscar, shane, or vernon forrest.

not saying oscar would ko him or completely dominate him but oscar would out work to earn a dec.


short of a prime tommy hearns nobody knocking a prime floyd out his defensive is too good

pac will always be a tough fight for oscar simply because pac is left handed and you need a good right hand to fight a south paw and a prime oscar does not have a good right hand

Too bad Shane Mosley doesn't agree with you. Shane had the opportunity to fight Floyd years ago back at LW, but Mosley declined knowing the whipping that awaited him.

Floyd then told both Shane and Oscar that they both could catch a bad one at 147 if they want to come back down. What did Mosley have to say?

Have you ever seen the YouTube where Shane makes excuses about his tooth being loose and it being the reason that he cannot fight Floyd?



Listen 2120, when you're fighting the #1 and #2 fighters, there's nothing "selective" about that. That **** doesn't fly simply because you can't fault the best for fighting the best.

Floyd isn't fighting 5th ranked WWs at catchweights, but if he was I'm sure you'd call him "selective" for doing so! So why not say that Pacquiao is "selective" for fighting 5th ranked WWs and one 4th ranked WW?

Why not call Cotto "selective" for exclusively targeting vacant titles for every belt he's ever win aside for the current jrMW belt?

Why not call Sergio Martinez "selective" for only beating two fighters worth mentioning?

When you look at what you're saying its really just silly.

[niceguy45]

DLH still would have lost. Oscar lost every major challenge he's ever had with the exception of his match with Quartey, and that was a gift as well.

Outside of the Quartey bout, DLH has lost EVERY major match he's ever had at and above 147. Before then he fought an aray of old fighters and hyped opponents.

He lost to Sweet Pea as well but that was just another Golden gift that DLH got.

He would have been befuddled by Floyd. Especially if he tried to bully him at the WW limit of 147lbs.

if we talk about gifts, mayweather has a few gifts wins and so does pacquiao

[Brother Jay]

if we talk about gifts, mayweather has a few gifts wins and so does pacquiao

If we are speaking of gifts, there is only one fight were anyone has ever questioned whethere Mayweather won ... and the ONE SINGLE SOLITARY fight was Mayweather/Castillio I. There is no "few" as it pertains to Mayweather.

Pacquiao lost both his fights against Marquez.

So you were saying?

I'm all about the truth, my man.

You have anything else to add that might be ON TOPIC?

Because the one statement you posted had absolutely NO IMPACT on the point at hand.

[pbftxrs316]

oscar would have been dominated by floyd in oscar's prime---if there 1 thing oscar can do, it's lose to elite fighters, prime or not---he struggled with sweet pea and quartey and gatti even stunned him in the 1st round of their fight---oscar is not fooling me--i
m not ******--floyd would have crushed him in his prime---oscar lost to floyd, 9 rounds to 3----kellerman said it best--oscar was surviving against floyd in their fight---nothing more, nothing less---floyd was chasing oscar his whole career---if oscar is really serious about beating floyd and manny in his prime--he would have fought them in his prime--well, floyd anyway--oscar really never wanted any part of floyd until after the baldomir fight, because he thought floyd lost a step---he was schooled by floyd easily---oscar, keep your thoughts and opinions to yourself kid-lol--you're not as good as you think, nor have you ever been---fl0yd beats oscar at anytime in his career--manny would have lost to oscar though imo, only because of his style---i'm not fooled by oscar's little rambunctious claims--oscar has always fought too stiff to beat floyd at anytime in his career--oscar, save your energy---give less interviews--he picked hatton and jmm and now ortiz to beat floyd--floyd is the most skilled fighter in history--oscar is just being ****** folks--

remember this always---

[N!GGALAS CAGE]

De La Hoya is such an attention whore.

Only a douche bag would retire and talk about how he would have beaten opponents he lost to if he was prime.

[Brother Jay]

De La Hoya is such an attention whore.

Only a douche bag would retire and talk about how he would have beaten opponents he lost to if he was prime.

Exactly.

This was just a ploy to take away attention from the fact that DLH was morally corrupt back when he was supposedly the clean cut poster boy of boxing.

What did they expect?

He was a poor Mexican kid growing up on welfare. They made him a millionaire. He went from being friends with poor kids in Cali to rubbing elbows with celebrities from around the world.

He married a Playmate, had kids out of wedlock that he doesn't see, got hooked on alcohol and drugs, cheated on his 2nd wife, got caught cross-dressing, and started his own promotional company that put him in position to stay in the corrupt world of boxing for the next 50 years.

And people are surprised that he got caught up in the bad but enticing world of groupies and drugs?

He's human. He was never a great boxer, but he was an Olympian, a multi-divisional world champion and he fought everybody except Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright.

The man was at the top of the boxing world but he couldn't win against top talent without help from the judges.

Far be it for me to defend Oscar DelaHoya, but no one here can judge him outside of the ring. i don't believe that ANY of you could have resisted the top shelf trim that was being thrown at him, and the traps that come along with the money he was making.

Like a young man from Brooklyn once said "More money, more problems".

[D4thincarnation]

oscar would have been dominated by floyd in oscar's prime---if there 1 thing oscar can do, it's lose to elite fighters, prime or not---he struggled with sweet pea and quartey and gatti even stunned him in the 1st round of their fight---oscar is not fooling me--i
m not ******--floyd would have crushed him in his prime---oscar lost to floyd, 9 rounds to 3----kellerman said it best--oscar was surviving against floyd in their fight---nothing more, nothing less---floyd was chasing oscar his whole career---if oscar is really serious about beating floyd and manny in his prime--he would have fought them in his prime--well, floyd anyway--oscar really never wanted any part of floyd until after the baldomir fight, because he thought floyd lost a step---he was schooled by floyd easily---oscar, keep your thoughts and opinions to yourself kid-lol--you're not as good as you think, nor have you ever been---fl0yd beats oscar at anytime in his career--manny would have lost to oscar though imo, only because of his style---i'm not fooled by oscar's little rambunctious claims--oscar has always fought too stiff to beat floyd at anytime in his career--oscar, save your energy---give less interviews--he picked hatton and jmm and now ortiz to beat floyd--floyd is the most skilled fighter in history--oscar is just being ****** folks--

remember this always---

Yeah that makes sense, a part-time past it Oscar just drops a SD to Floyd but a prime Oscar gets dominated by Floyd.

So you are saying (Past it/Part-time Oscar) > (Prime Oscar)

Hopefully you can see the flaw in you logic.

Prime Oscar beats Mayweather