Ortiz wants Pacquiao after Mayweather

[The Big Dunn]

pac made a big mistake in not calling floyd's bluff the first time. i'm absolutely sure floyd would find another excuse to weasel out of the fight like he lost one of his balls or something. look at floyd right now. it's all over the sport's front pages that pac has agreed to take the test, yet he and his fanboys are still making drug testing an issue. they're supposed to celebrate with the thought that their fantasies are about to become reality. you won't believe it's the exact opposite. so...

that will be my last take on this. it will never happen guys.

pac made a big mistake in not calling floyd's bluff the first time. Exactly. That isn't floyd's fault.

it's all over the sport's front pages that pac has agreed to take the test, yet he and his fanboys are still making drug testing an issue.

Now we get to the overexaggerated opinions and BS. Manny has yet to accept random blood/urine tests without a cutoff. How about you be honest for a change. Testing isn't the issue,, the cutoff date for testsing is.

[iNDOLiFER]

so the fight didnt happen because manny refuse ost with no cut off? how i remember manny refuse ost with 14 days the fight was off. second round manny agreed to the 14 days but floyd took that out and demand no cut off, manny disagree, the fight is off. so where in this did bob has anything to do with it

I can see no plausible reason why manny refuses to take random tests or bnegotiates a cutoff date.

like i said if floyd didnt demand ost then the contract would have been sign and the fight would have been made

floyd as does manny, can ask for anything he wants. As the larger draw, floyd has earned the right to set the fight on his terms, as has been done historically and is done by manny when he is the larger draw. Asking for OST simply is not "wrong".

Rather than take away floyds ability to make requests, which you won't ask for Pac or any other fighter, why not focus on Manny''s decision making ability, which every fighter has to make.

Floyd has been in manny's position and took fights on the larger draws terms. Manny, like him or hate him, should do the same thing.

look i know that manny refuse ost with no cut off thats why the fight was off. i even said on my last post that floyd has the right to ask for whatever he wants, same goes for manny BUT what im asking is if floyd never asked for ost would the fight had been made? why u ignoring this question? and u said bob is the one whos holding up the fight because bob knows to well not to put manny in with floyd just yet. well did bob pay floyd to demand ost? because how is bob holding up the fight? bob wasnt even in the picture until later on down.

[tomhawq]

Now we get to the overexaggerated opinions and BS. Manny has yet to accept random blood/urine tests without a cutoff. How about you be honest for a change. Testing isn't the issue,, the cutoff date for testsing is.

dude, you're the one not being honest. you and i know that floyd is his own boss and he can make this fight happen with a snap of a finger, that is if he's really interested. pac is on video saying he will take the test with no cut-off and added, "i myself want to know if that is really the reason". the least floyd could do is to look into it and catch pac lying on his teeth since drama outside of the ring and gotcha moments seem to be more watchable and interesting to you guys than real fights in the ring. don't you want to see that?

reality is, the moment floyd initiates the negotiations, i see no reason why arum and pac would not welcome it. absolutely no reason at all. question really is what exactly is floyd waiting for? sending ellerbe or al haymon out there is not a hard task to do. why isn't he doing that? what exactly is there to lose?

[iNDOLiFER]

pac made a big mistake in not calling floyd's bluff the first time. Exactly. That isn't floyd's fault.

it's all over the sport's front pages that pac has agreed to take the test, yet he and his fanboys are still making drug testing an issue.

Now we get to the overexaggerated opinions and BS. Manny has yet to accept random blood/urine tests without a cutoff. How about you be honest for a change. Testing isn't the issue,, the cutoff date for testsing is.

ok now i know your just talking outta your ass LOL.. pac has yet to agree to a urine test without a cutoff? hahahaha...

[KingTito]

Well, if he beats Floyd, he deserves it. He better focus on Floyd though.

[The Big Dunn]

look i know that manny refuse ost with no cut off thats why the fight was off. i even said on my last post that floyd has the right to ask for whatever he wants, same goes for manny BUT what im asking is if floyd never asked for ost would the fight had been made? why u ignoring this question? and u said bob is the one whos holding up the fight because bob knows to well not to put manny in with floyd just yet. well did bob pay floyd to demand ost? because how is bob holding up the fight? bob wasnt even in the picture until later on down.

what im asking is if floyd never asked for ost would the fight had been made? why u ignoring this question?

But why ask this? He did ask for it and he has the right to according to you. I don't know what happens if he doesn't.

well did bob pay floyd to demand ost? because how is bob holding up the fight?

Bob is advising manny not to sign. Bob and other pac camp memebrs have been offering the myraid of excuses. No one denies Margarito was telling the truth wen he said in Feb 10 that Bob promised him Pac fight later that year. Bob's ww tourney netted Bob crazy money. If pac and floyd fight and manny loses that tourney is not as profitable.

[iNDOLiFER]

what im asking is if floyd never asked for ost would the fight had been made? why u ignoring this question?

But why ask this? He did ask for it and he has the right to according to you. I don't know what happens if he doesn't.

well did bob pay floyd to demand ost? because how is bob holding up the fight?

Bob is advising manny not to sign. Bob and other pac camp memebrs have been offering the myraid of excuses. No one denies Margarito was telling the truth wen he said in Feb 10 that Bob promised him Pac fight later that year. Bob's ww tourney netted Bob crazy money. If pac and floyd fight and manny loses that tourney is not as profitable.

LOL now it was bob telling manny not to sign? and why ignored my first question. im not here to ask u who has the right to demand what, because like i said they both can demand whatever they want. this whole thing started because u said it was bob who was holding up the fight. so i asked u again if floyd never demand ost and just let the commessioner do its job just like any of floyd's pass fights, would the fight had been made? Of course it would have been made and u know it so dont ignore this part. i know u see it.

[The Big Dunn]

dude, you're the one not being honest. you and i know that floyd is his own boss and he can make this fight happen with a snap of a finger, that is if he's really interested. pac is on video saying he will take the test with no cut-off and added, "i myself want to know if that is really the reason". the least floyd could do is to look into it and catch pac lying on his teeth since drama outside of the ring and gotcha moments seem to be more watchable and interesting to you guys than real fights in the ring. don't you want to see that?

reality is, the moment floyd initiates the negotiations, i see no reason why arum and pac would not welcome it. absolutely no reason at all. question really is what exactly is floyd waiting for? sending ellerbe or al haymon out there is not a hard task to do. why isn't he doing that? what exactly is there to lose?

Pacfan manny and floyd can say anything but if either doesn't sign it doesn't mean anything. Pac has never eneterd any negotiation without demanding a cutoff date. For you to post anything that says othwerwise is lying. Far as that video, there is a Koncz video where he states manny didnt' agree to rtandom OST. This isn't *****'s, floyd stans, etc etc making this up. Its manny's own adviser contradicting manny's statement to a legitimate press organization.

At the end of the day why don't you take floyd out of it and just evaluate everything using just information from Team Pac. For every "I agree" video or report there is a "wait we didn't" or "not exactly" from someone else in the camp.For every "I want to fight floyd" video ther is a "manny isn't ready for floyd video".

Please, since you want this to end, end it. Just analyze everything that has come from Team Pac.

[The Big Dunn]

LOL now it was bob telling manny not to sign? and why ignored my first question. im not here to ask u who has the right to demand what, because like i said they both can demand whatever they want. this whole thing started because u said it was bob who was holding up the fight. so i asked u again if floyd never demand ost and just let the commessioner do its job just like any of floyd's pass fights, would the fight had been made? Of course it would have been made and u know it so dont ignore this part. i know u see it.

Indolifer the question is moot because floyd did ask. Obviously manny can't refuse OST if its not in the contract but that doesn't mean thats why the fight hasn't happened.

The commission clearly wasn't doing its job because some fighters didn't get caught. But that isn't the point.

The fight hasn't occurred because manny has not agreed to floyd's terms. Cut and dry. End of story.

[iNDOLiFER]

Indolifer the question is moot because floyd did ask. Obviously manny can't refuse OST if its not in the contract but that doesn't mean thats why the fight hasn't happened.

The commission clearly wasn't doing its job because some fighters didn't get caught. But that isn't the point.

The fight hasn't occurred because manny has not agreed to floyd's terms. Cut and dry. End of story.

Look, i dont care about anything else, this is about u saying that bob is holding up the fight. I clearly said that if floyd didnt ask for ost and just went along with the usual testings like he had in the pass then the fight would have been made and u know this! so stop trying to beat around it.. this whole thing would have been over and done with if ost was never brought up. im not here to debate if it was right or wrong for floyd to demand ost and if it was right or wrong for pac refusing it. this is about if floyd didnt ask for ost then we would of seen the fight already plain and simple and u know it.