Ortiz wants Pacquiao after Mayweather

[The Big Dunn]

Look, i dont care about anything else, this is about u saying that bob is holding up the fight. I clearly said that if floyd didnt ask for ost and just went along with the usual testings like he had in the pass then the fight would have been made and u know this! so stop trying to beat around it.. this whole thing would have been over and done with if ost was never brought up. im not here to debate if it was right or wrong for floyd to demand ost and if it was right or wrong for pac refusing it. this is about if floyd didnt ask for ost then we would of seen the fight already plain and simple and u know it.

I see your point and don't agree with the premise. What one has requested in past fights does not matter because the opponents and circumstances are different.

this is about if floyd didnt ask for ost then we would of seen the fight already plain and simple

Again I understand why you feel this way but to me whether this is true or not is irrelevant because floyd has the right to set his terms.

[Leohappy]

any sportsman who openly denies random ost like pac does should be ashamed of himself. doesn't really matter who is asking for a test.

[maguirre]

any sportsman who openly denies random ost like pac does should be ashamed of himself. doesn't really matter who is asking for a test.

Pac is on video and openly says he will take the test, homie. What are you talking about? If I were Pac I wouldn't even give a **** about an overrated pu55y. Let him rot with his drug testing demand. There is a commission that's been in that business since time immemorial, why would I let an overrated pu55y dictate things for me?

What is shameful is when the sportsman agrees to the test and the one demanding it still refuses to fight.

;-)

[The Big Dunn]

Pac is on video and openly says he will take the test, homie. What are you talking about? If I were Pac I wouldn't even give a **** about an overrated pu55y. Let him rot with his drug testing demand. There is a commission who's been in that business since time immemorial, why would I let an overrated pu55y dictate things for me?

What is shameful is when the sportsman agrees to the test and the one demanding it still refuses to fight.

;-)

Floyd is overrated to you but he is still the bigger draw. In boxing history the bigger draw gets to set the terms for the fight. Floyd has asked for random OST without a cutoff. Manny has refused this, except for a video where he says he agreed , whcich was immediately followed by a video from Koncz saying that was in fact not true.

Until Manny is willing to be tested radomly without negotiaiting a cutoff date then I guess they won't fight. Since manny is a sportman shouldn't he follow the time ****red tradition of letting the main draw set the terms?

I mean floyd di this when he wasn't the main draw.

[BuckToothed]

I see your point and don't agree with the premise. What one has requested in past fights does not matter because the opponents and circumstances are different.

this is about if floyd didnt ask for ost then we would of seen the fight already plain and simple

Again I understand why you feel this way but to me whether this is true or not is irrelevant because floyd has the right to set his terms.

Floyd has as much right as Manny refusing the term... they are both setting THEIR terms of the fight.

Now, Manny should just flat out refused, instead of flip-flopping around the issue. He only made himself look suspect.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd has as much right as Manny refusing the term... they are both setting THEIR terms of the fight.

Now, Manny should just flat out refused, instead of flip-flopping around the issue. He only made himself look suspect.

Pacfan finally admitted this and he is completely right.

[Leohappy]

Floyd has as much right as Manny refusing the term... they are both setting THEIR terms of the fight.

Now, Manny should just flat out refused, instead of flip-flopping around the issue. He only made himself look suspect.

they are both getting tested. where's the big deal?
pac can say whatever he wants on videos, but remember talk is cheap. especially in pro boxing which is nothing but a controlled anarchy.

[iNDOLiFER]

any sportsman who openly denies random ost like pac does should be ashamed of himself. doesn't really matter who is asking for a test.

ost is not an issue as pac put it if it was apart of the rules. now if the rules changes and included ost and pac is still acting funny then yes u can say that something fishy is going on. and i think this whole ost thing got blown out of control because of what the mayweather accused manny of. if the mayweather would have just kept quiet and not say anything then request ost during the negotiation i dont think it would have gotten this far. the mayweather accused pac of being on steriods without even having any proof then goes on and say pac have no skills and is easy work then demanded ost, wtf?? lol... i would have acted the same way manny did after all that.

[AllEyesOpen]

If he loses, i see this fight being made. & as soon as it gets signed Ortiz would go from a green quiter, to a true warrior in his prime. If he pulls off the upset, i still see the fight happening... but at a catchweight of 144-145.

[BuckToothed]

they are both getting tested. where's the big deal?
pac can say whatever he wants on videos, but remember talk is cheap. especially in pro boxing which is nothing but a controlled anarchy.

I'm not Pac so I can't answer that, he has the right to refuse as much as Floyd has the right to demand.

Now, why do you need to test an "easy work, no skill midget" when you fought the guy you claim that beat him twice without OST as a tune up?

Both questions are baffling.