The Flaws of The Klitschko Brothers

[JAB5239]

You're a racist self hating American who hates that Wlad and Vitali are the two greatest heavyweights ever and would brutally knockout every other heavyweight ever.



Good thread.

Yeah thats what I expected to hear, but it's obvious Klit lovers can't respond to a well thought out logical criticism of their heroes. Thats a good thing though as this thread is a good one.

[JAB5239]

I'll respond to well thought out and objective criticism when I see some.
But that's not likely in this forum.

Nuthuggers just don't know it when they see it.

[Vadrigar.]

I'll respond to well thought out and objective criticism when I see some.
But that's not likely in this forum.

You wouldn't know well thought out and objective criticism if it hit you in the face. Maybe it's because you're to busy hanging off Vitali's nuts.

[bojangles1987]

Yeah thats what I expected to hear, but it's obvious Klit lovers can't respond to a well thought out logical criticism of their heroes. Thats a good thing though as this thread is a good one.

I didn't realize they don't even pretend to debate anymore.

[Vadrigar.]

Go **** yourself, ****wad.

oooooooh you sure got me there

[JAB5239]

I didn't realize they don't even pretend to debate anymore.

They don't, because they can't argue with facts and would rather choose to remain blind to preserve their illusions.

[steeluv]

Floors of the Klitscho's

1. Not Black

2. Not American

3. Not much competition

4. they didn't go to jail after being accused of ****

5. they didn't get ****d by Robyn Givens and Don King

6. 50 Cent didn't buy his old house

7. they didn't call a opponent they was scared of an uncle tom, and make up great poems

8. They didn't refuse to go to war and get banned from boxing

9. They didn't have fights like Rocky

10 They didn't do dancing with the stars or get invited to the white house

[Grinderman]

Floors of the Klitscho's

1. Not Black

2. Not American

3. Not much competition

4. they didn't go to jail after being accused of ****

5. they didn't get ****d by Robyn Givens and Don King

6. 50 Cent didn't buy his old house

7. they didn't call a opponent they was scared of an uncle tom, and make up great poems

8. They didn't refuse to go to war and get banned from boxing

9. They didn't have fights like Rocky

10 They didn't do dancing with the stars or get invited to the white house

Excellent post!

[JAB5239]

at the butthurt Americans. I know its bad that your only hope lies in Deontay Wilder.

if the K brothers were a diffirent shade or even American you guys would be singing a different tune.

This isn't about nationality or color. The era is weak so their flaws are hidden. This can be said of other champions as well if we were to discuss them. But none in my opinion (the great ones) have fought in such a weak era.

Face it, they are the smartest HW's in the game and history (PhD, Avid Chess Players) and they are masterfull performers who use their brains in a fight and outside of it. Sure they have some weaknesses but who doesnt? You are just grasping at straws.

Maybe they're the smartest intellectually or maybe they aren't. I think Gene Tunney could rival either of them in that category and his heavyweight be criticized just as easily.

Prime Vitali beats ANY Hw in history
Known to throw 1000 punches in a fight
Never been down
Highest KO %
Defeated most undefeated fighters
Lost less than 10 rounds in his career
Never been defeated legitly, winning every round against Byrd when his shoulder went and was up against a tiring Lewis when the CROOKED USA doctor stopped the fight and robbed Vitali of a win against Lewis, same Lewis who ducked and weaved Vitali for 12 months after the fight before retiring because they were gonna strip his belt if he didnt have a rematch (Lewis wanted to fight someone else and when he was forced to fight Vitali he ducked him and retired)

All conjecture except Vitaly's work rate. And it must be taken into consideration that if V were fighting better comp it most likely would drop and/or not be as effective.

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Wlad:
Most True HW rounds fought
his technical skills offset his few weaknesses.
Has a very good chance to beat any HW in history (would smoke all the CW "HW's" from the "Golden Era" where the Americans dominated and thats why the Americans still clinging on to the past with their 190lb HW's since thats all you have to remember)

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Lewis, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Ali, Frazier, Liston and Louis all beat him in my opinion. I give others a chance but that is more arguable in my opinion.

I guess too bad the Klitschko's werent born in the ****** and spent half their life in jail while being broke and owing the IRS money while being racist and acting like attention wh0res in the media? That wouldve made them #1 in America

You make some decent posts at time and though we often disagree are not as bad as some of the other Klit fans here, so is there really a need for this? Lets try to debate in a civil and factual way.

[Tiozzo]

I'm not entirely sure if a thread of this type has been put up before, and I apologize if it has, but I thought, for those that are interested, we could discuss the ways in which either of the Klitschko brothers could be beaten.

First and foremost, I like the style of both of the Klitschko brothers. I think that they are both excellent fighters and phenomenal athletes, if either was not the case they would not be dominating the heavyweight division like they are in spite of the dearth of talent.

However, I have noticed flaws in both fighters, that, with great skill, can be exploited. I've noticed more flaws in Wladimir than I have in Vitali-I view Vitali as the greater fighter though I think his opposition has not been as good as consistently as his brother's.

Beginning with Wladimir, I will start with his positives and why they make him so dominant. Wladimir, unlike so many of his heavyweight opponents maintains himself even while not fighting. He does not blow up an extra thirty pounds in-between fights, instead he remains in great shape. That means that he can recover quickly after fights, suffers fewer problematic injuries, and can jump into training camp and begin working on his skills versus just trying to get in shape. He is a very solid with little body fat and the only way a fighter can maintain that, especially at his size and weight, is to be consistent and disciplined in his or her's workout regiment.

Aside from that, he is very tall with an incredible reach. And his style suits his physical attributes perfectly. Some say all he does is jab, but if you've ever been on the other side of a good jab, you'll realize that there is a lot more to what he does. For example, most of his opponents stay on the end of that jab. His reach advantage is a huge factor, but he wouldn't be able to maintain that distance if it weren't for timing and speed and even more importantly-angles.

Most of Wlad's opponents have very slow feet and fight flat-footed. They tend to distribute their weight almost evenly between their two legs and so remain rooted and thus react and attack slowly. What makes it even worse is that so many are terrible at fighting off a straight line. Wlad's jab is effective because his opponents tend to through looping shots in an attempt to reach his head (which is foolish when at a distance, he's much too tall) and come in straight lines. For someone with long arms and a powerful jab, that's perfect. Wlad literally has to do very little work. When they lunge in with a wide-shot (short, wide shots are good for in-fighting only because they are hard to see, at a distance they can make a fighter vulnerable to counters) he simply has to a) jab and b) step off of the line. Once Wlad has done this, he makes the slower fighter reset and they are back at square one. And if they do manage to get in close, he simply ties them up, the ref breaks them apart and he's back to jabbing.

Another attribute is his power. The man can punch. His jab hurts, I'm sure. But his right hand can be devastating and it also accurate. With all of that power, I'm sure that he makes fighters wary of it and this can affect how they approach the fight. Wlad is also athletic and can move fairly quickly on his feet. This also helps him in maintaining the perfect range to throw his punches.

But his flaws:

Wladimir Klitschko cannot fight on the inside. As I mentioned previously, what Wlad does do when an opponent finally works his way past his jab is clinch. He ties up fighters quickly and he is strong, but he lacks the ability to fight on the inside. A skilled and fast fighter who throws combinations(Prime Mike Tyson, for example) once past that long jab would be able to exploit his inability to fight at close range and punish Wlad to the body and head.

Wladimir Klitschko cannot fight going backwards. This is directly related to his inability to fight on the inside. He doesn't really know how to fight off of the back foot. His discomfort is clear when he is backing up and he tends to stop throwing altogether or throw even less. A skilled fighter with good footwork who works off of angles well and has great upper body and head movement would be able to take full advantage of this. In fact, the only way I can see Wlad being beaten is if he is forced to go backwards by a skilled aggressor.

Wlad can be VERY passive at times. Against a fighter who works off of angles and gets past his jab and who forces him to go backwards consistently, Wlad could lose on points (though I doubt I'll ever see that happening) or possibly get stopped. He doesn't like to throw combinations frequently, which would prevent the above from happening.

And lastly, Wlad can sometimes pull his head straight back when trying to avoid punches instead of stepping off of the line, pivoting, or just moving his head side to side. He just doesn't have good head movement, and I understand, how many opponents can actually reach his head without getting hit first? However, a flaw is still a flaw, and it can be exploited.

The kind of fighter able to exploit all of the above flaws, however, just doesn't exist in this era.

Up Next Vitali Klitschko...

I've made such threads in the past

but I'm done talking Klitschko flaws, too many people can't deal with the truth