Where do YOU rate the Klitschkos?

[nomadman]

Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, Chris Arreola and Odlanier Solis were all horribly out of shape. You're not going to tell me otherwise. Peter and Williams I tend to make a bit of an exception for since they just seems to be massively built dudes naturally. But they're still big old lumps with the mobility of a tree, and Williams was dropping everytime he got hit flush. I shudder to think of the combined weight of Vitali's top ten heaviest opponents.

[edgarg]

lol. Fighters 'pile on' weight to help them fight Vitali. one of the more hilarious things Ive heard.

after all, adding fat makes you a better fighter, right?

Kirk Johnson was undoubtedly obese against Vitali. but I guess that was to help him take punches, right? I could sure tell, he looked amazing in that fight.

You may be "smart Alecky" if you wish, but that's the general idea. The heavier guy absorbs punches better, and Although it's true that Johnson was not rippling with muscle, he never had been, he was always a bit blubbery, sometimes more sometimes less.

[edgarg]

Fail. Vitali is an admitted steriod abuser.

Mr. Hohenzollern, who don't you go back to the History section or wherever you've been hibernating for a few years. You're still taking advantage of the ignorance of the average poster here. There is a HUGE difference between "user" and "abuser". YOU know that, THEY don't.

[edgarg]

Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, Chris Arreola and Odlanier Solis were all horribly out of shape. You're not going to tell me otherwise. Peter and Williams I tend to make a bit of an exception for since they just seems to be massively built dudes naturally. But they're still big old lumps with the mobility of a tree, and Williams was dropping everytime he got hit flush. I shudder to think of the combined weight of Vitali's top ten heaviest opponents.

Kirk Johnson WAS too heavy, by about 10-15 lbs from his normal. Corrie Sanders was just about right, he was 2 lbs heavier for Vitaly than for Wladimir, and he was also around the same for Rahman. Roughly about 5-7 lbs more for champions than normal. And you have to take Klitschko's size into it as well. He was about 25 lbs heavier just 2 fights after VK.

Arreola was at his lightest by quite a bit, for Klitschko in 7 fights, the 3 before and the 3 after Klitschko, were sizeably heavier. As for Solis you are, again, quite wrong. He was about between 25-30 lbs lighter for Klitschko than for most of his other fights.

The BoxingScene news reports were FULL of stories about how seriously he was training, and HOW MUCH WEIGHT he was taking off.......I don't know how old YOU are, but I'm sure you are younger than I and if YOU can't remember these very recent reports, why should you expect me to be able to.

LOOK IT UP FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE. why expect others to do your work for you.

[edgarg]

Oh STFU, you deluded ****.

Oh POOR old Reuben Funny-Sonny, why don't you just "fold up your tent and silently steal away" as the poet said. What sewer disgorged you anyway??
And please don't think I'm trying to make fun of you because you never went to school or read a book. If I've offended, I apologise.

Other than that, I only have to say that as much as you know about boxing and POLITENESS in discussion, I could put in my eye and not feel it.

[Kulle]

Is the H/W as dead as made out or are the Klitschkos just that damn effective? I truely believe/know that in any era there styles, size, & skills would of gave anybody major problems.

I honestly do think they get so much stick it's unreal. Both haven't lost in nearly a decade & they have beaten everybody. From fast slick guys to big K.O artists, you name it.

A lot of these guys have been destroying everything until they meet one of the K's & they have barely lost a round, then they fight a Klitschko & get KTFO in the process, barely winning 1 round. It's to the point I think if they was even in any other era & did this everybody would say the division was at an all time low.

Imo we have never seen this before and likely never will, we should respect them both now & fair play a good few are coming round. I also get fed up hearing ''They are boring''
Vitali is not boring and if he is it's because his opponent is scared for his life, pretty much the same with Wlad though he picks his shots better & likes too soften guys up before he goes in for the kill.

They have broken so many records it's ridiculous but I feel they get so little respect, it makes me sick.

I think the golden era is so damn overrated...
This brings me to one question...How does a guy with nothing but a left hook & a decent lateral movement, a guy that is barely 6ft with no jab, two left feet & pretty much a trim but poor mans David Tua beat a Klitschko?
Yes you got it Joe Frazier. I seen you all vote like 25-3 saying Frazier would muller both brothers, you talk about Wlad having no chin HA! Joe Frazier, yes he was damn good, a BEAST in fact but his chin was a ****ing joke & he was limited as hell. HE WOULDN'T OF WON A SINGLE ROUND AGAINST EITHER BROTHER!

And if he fought Vitali, styles make fights, Vitali would of put him into a coma.


You lot on here are a joke IMO & another guy you underrate is Hopkins who has one of the best boxing brains & C.V's EVER! Easily a top 20 of all time, if not better.

Klitschko's - easily top 10 heavyweights, if not in the top 5.

Hi.

A nice post, I agree with you. I don't see how Frazier could win against either of K-bros.

[edgarg]

Yup, it tells us that Purity was an old journeyman at the end of his career.

He actually wasn't. The WK fight was NINE YEARS before he retired with 15 fights still to come. Hardly an old on the verge of retirement fighter. And I notice he fought several Champions too, not too old and worn out for THEM.

Whereas the TIME LINE does not LIE (like some I know) Klitschko was in his 24th month of pro boxing age 21-22...an overgrown and underweight kid, and this was his 25th fight........
Too much.... too soon.....bound to meet a road block on the way. And he did in Purrity.

YOUNG KLITSCHKO was even outweighed by 25 lbs.

[Kulle]

Who did he beat with say Wlads style, his range, accuracy, power, speed, jab, athleticism etc? Oh right, nobody!

He beat a poor mans Klitschko, Foreman.

Oh wait, wasn't he like KTFO?

[intoccabile]

Vitali is 10x the fighter Wlad will ever be, should be rated much higher than Wlad. They're prob both top 35 HW

please name 34 better heavyweights.

I'm waiting.

[edgarg]

Vitali wasn't the first person to stop Purrity, Cleveland Woods was.



Interesting that Puritty was an ex Am. football player.

Yes it was in the back of my mind....WAY back. I'd forgotten, I think it was his 1st or 2nd fight. I think a stoppage ina 4-6 rd'er. But except for VK he was never stopped again.

You were correct.