Where do YOU rate the Klitschkos?

[Pirao]

Wlad is 12 or 13 and Vitali is top 25. When Wlad retires he'll be in the top 10 think since I envision him ruling the division for 3-4 more years.

[The Hammer]

A big part is that this era is "so terrible" only because of the way they destroy their opponents. Without them, all the reigning and/or unbeaten champions they macerated would have made it a quite respectable era, comparable with any of theothers.

Not to forget the top fighters of this era whom they desgtroyed by the way they beat them so that they were never any good again, which would not have happened if they weren't around. They'd still be here making good fights against their well matched contemporaries.

You have a habit of telling lies in a perfectly innocent, inocuous way. Klitschko was NOT a steroid abuser. This is WELL documented and you can't slip your insinuation by. He used a medically prescribed ointment to treat a nagging leg injury received in Kickboxing. He wasn't aware that it was banned, and freely reported it without subterfuge. You know of course, that VK continued with lickboxing for a couple of years before concentrating solely on boxing.

Excellent posts in this thread, edgarg.

[The Hammer]

Lol, he's always complaining of others being trolls yet he's always the one to cast the first stone. He's a sad little man who happens to be a liar and a hypocrite.

Joseph Benedetti, YOU are the worst liar and hypocrite I've ever seen on boxingscene.

You always cast the first stone, Joseph Benedetti. You constantly troll my threads and posts looking for trouble, as you did yesterday. Your hatred of the Klitschkos has sent you off the deep end ever since Wlad beat Haye.

Lol, your posts were deleted because you were trolling.

You delete posts in the history section that state opinions you don't agree with. Then you accuse me of being intolerant of those who don't agree with me.

Talk about being a hypocrite!

[edgarg]

No, you misunderstand me. I don't want the Klitschkos to retire either, simply because they're quality fighters and emphatic champions. Point is, even were they to go the division would not be significantly better, which you seem to agree with.

If you think the reason would not be significantly better, could the reason be that the Klitschkos would have left only shattered remnants of a once respectable division behind them?

When they go, the division will revive, a few respectable guys will come along, a few will have been left around, some of the beaten up, former champs will again reassert themselves etc. It'll become OK again.

[Steak]

actually the division was looked at as subpar even when the Klitschko's werent dominating it. Remember right after Vitali retired and Wladimir had lost to Brewster, around 2004 or 2005? The division was looked at as ****, and rightfully so, seeing as Byrd, Ruiz, Rahman and fat Toney were at the top of the division. ouch.

you know its a horrible division when the best guy, Byrd, was getting controversial decisions over guys like old Golota and Fres Oquendo....thankfully the division has gotten a bit better since then.

honestly, thank goodness Wladimir came in and cleaned out that mess.

[StarshipTrooper]

You have a habit of telling lies in a perfectly innocent, inocuous way. Klitschko was NOT a steroid abuser. This is WELL documented and you can't slip your insinuation by. He used a medically prescribed ointment to treat a nagging leg injury received in Kickboxing. He wasn't aware that it was banned, and freely reported it without subterfuge. You know of course, that VK continued with lickboxing for a couple of years before concentrating solely on boxing.

Yeah and Mark McGwire didn't know what they were sticking him in the ass with either. Once a 'roid head always a 'roid head :jerk0ff9:

Poet

[edgarg]

The Klits are slightly above average Heavyweights in a pitiful and abject era.

I think your examples of "Klitlicking Bigotry" are pretty far off the mark. They were basically pretty much on the mark. Except for Die Antwoord as a boxing genius. I think he was kidding a bit there, but he certainly knows his boxing.

You yourself could be classed as a "well below average poster" in an "era of abysmal quality posters", and this would still be far off the mark, And not in the upward direction either.

But, as a poster, you certainly STAND OUT............ Some of you guys seem to have been born with a ferocity, hatred, and ******ity module. and whilst the first 2 can be rectified in time, nothing can alter the latter one.

[edgarg]

So Vitali is better than Wlad because he might be able to beat him in a HYPOTHETHICAL fantasy matchup? Let's just ignore his shit tier resume and the fact that he hasn't really beaten anybody that can be considered above C-level and who wasn't clinically obese.

There's been too much talk going around about fighters being "clinically obese" especially when it comes to Klitschko opponents. You are all WRONG. You should look up the definition of clinically obese, and apologise on these pages.

No top fighter these days or any other, except maybe Rid**** Bowe LATELY, who was a bit nuts and didn't care, or james Toney, who can handle it, would get into a ring for a millions dollar fight clinically obese. It has become the accepted wisdom for fighters to pile on some extra pounds to fight the Klitschkos so as to stand up better to their punches. But having 5-10 lbs more around the beltline against the Klitschkos is a far cry from being "clinically obese".

[Steak]

lol. Fighters 'pile on' weight to help them fight Vitali. one of the more hilarious things Ive heard.

after all, adding fat makes you a better fighter, right?

Kirk Johnson was undoubtedly obese against Vitali. but I guess that was to help him take punches, right? I could sure tell, he looked amazing in that fight.

[edgarg]

There's been too much talk going around about fighters being "clinically obese" especially when it comes to Klitschko opponents. You are all WRONG. You should look up the definition of clinically obese, and apologise on these pages.

No top fighter these days or any other, except maybe Rid**** Bowe LATELY, who was a bit nuts and didn't care, or james Toney, who can handle it, would get into a ring for a millions dollar fight clinically obese. It has become the accepted wisdom for fighters to pile on some extra pounds to fight the Klitschkos so as to stand up better to their punches. But having 5-10 lbs more around the beltline against the Klitschkos is a far cry from being "clinically obese".

My computer sent before I was finished. To point out, I've always understood that the term is "morbidly obese". You can't even accuse a guy like Sam Peter for being too fat, as his body bulld, his broad frame, his barrel shaped chest lend themselves to a lot of solid mass.
Carrying more weight than he should, but that's what WE think, his advisors thought differently, as did the advisors of the other FEW who were a bit overweight when fighting the- Klitschko's. Carrying as little as possible can weaken a fighter.

You may recall that when Lennox Lewis fought V Klitschko, he deliberately added an extra 5 lbs to his normal weight, because he was fighting Klitschko and felt that the extra weight would be a help. Alterwards it was used as a feeble excuse, to try to show that he was "out of condition" and "old" etc.etc. This of course was ludicrous since he had been training for over 2 months solid to fight Kirk Johnson, his challenger who was basically unbeaten and who's 32-1 record showed the 1 as a DQ (Phony) against John Ruiz. (I saw that fight)

Even Buster Mathis was not obese. Like Sam Peter, he was built that way. Boxers exercise, if they didn't exercise enough, going 12 rds could literally kill them. In fact they wouldn't be able to do it.

The only fighter I can recall who WAS fat and successful was "Fat Willie Meehan" who, as Jack Dempsey always said, "I could just never beat that guy". Well he beat him once, but he lost about 4-5 times. Always 4 rounders, so really mean nothing.